Posted on 11/22/2004 7:14:57 AM PST by Birdstrike
The Muslim religion preaches the extreme and death to those who do not believe in it. Jihadists are following their religion. They are the greatest threat to the security of the world and therefore they should be kept out of our country and confined to their own, where they can preach what they want and live in the dark ages if they so choose.
They are not a threat because they don't live in democracies, they are a threat becasue of what they believe. Read their "holy" book and see for yourself.
There are hundreds of mosques right here in the USA and millions of muslims, many of whom call themselves Americans. Yet their silence is deafening. Which one can I trust? I have not heard or seen a single one of them speak out against the disregard for human life or the violence that you say is "not the average Muslim."
What and who is the "average Muslim"? Is it one that doesn't commit the violence himself but condones it, finances it and does nothing to prevent it or won't even raise his voice against it? Who are these "moderate and average" Muslims of which you speak and where do they live? Why don't you tell me that? Or should I just wait for the next act of murder and the repetition of silence from the bretheren of those that commit it?
You see I don't care what they "believe" but I do care what they do in my country. As long as they stay in their own country I don't care how they live. I would like to see us stay out of their countries and stop trying to tell them what to believe, how to live or what to do. However, the minute they come out of their lairs they make themselves fair game.
If they or you want me to believe that the "average Muslim" is a good guy that I should trust and give sanctuary in my house, then let the "average Muslims" come forward and let me hear their voice. Until they do, I am unable to tell the difference between this average guy you're talking about and the one that's just waiting for his chance to stab me or my brother in the back.
I'm not asking them to think like me or to believe what I believe and I really don't care if they read the Quran or the Bible. As long as they are a threat I don't want them in my house. It will take a lot of convincing on their part to get me to accept that they are not my enemy. That's their problem not mine. Until they are able to do it, I would like them to go home. I have neither the time or the desire to "convert" them to anything.
"...Basic problem with the articles premise, they won't stay in their own country!"
They don't have to, as long as they stay away from ours, They can run a medievel Islam society in their region if they choose, but it can't be permitted to threaten us from within as it now does.
I do not feel that I am at war with all Muslims...only anti-American terrorists that use Islam for their own purposes.
To quote what I said:
"Our founding Fathers saw America as a Christian nation. Anyone who is here who is not a Christian is a guest. Guests who do not honor your home and heritage need to leave."
Honoring my home and heritage means being peacable, a good citizen, etc. I am not proposing kicking people out who are not believers in Christ. I AM proposing deporting anyone, citizen or not, who makes for a bad houseguest.
"...And how do we unbrainwash the masses who've bought into it?"
Don't think you can. But Jihad is obviously intolerant of living in peace with western civilization .That's why you ship them out to a region where they can practice it to their heart's content.
Islam, The Cult of Death™.
""Our founding Fathers saw America as a Christian nation. Anyone who is here who is not a Christian is a guest. Guests who do not honor your home and heritage need to leave."
Honoring my home and heritage means being peacable, a good citizen, etc. I am not proposing kicking people out who are not believers in Christ. I AM proposing deporting anyone, citizen or not, who makes for a bad houseguest.
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It's not YOUR home alone, my friend. It is MY home as well. I was born here. I have defended my nation in the military. Do not make the mistake of believing that anyone who does not believe as you do is not a full citizen.
What you may define as a "good houseguest" is not the law. If I break the law, which I do not, then the society may take me to court and imprison me if I'm found guilty. That's the American way.
You do not get to define what is or is not a "good houseguest." That's why we have laws.
What you are proposing is something other than the United States of America. What you are proposing is something completely alien to our Constitution.
It will not stand.
Well, there it is. I suppose there will always be some sort of knee-jerk movement going on in this country. As always, it ignores the basic fundamentals that make the USA so great.
I despair sometimes.
I view this bunch as either Muslims who refuse to read the Quran and face the truth of their faith, sort of like "progressive Christians" who advocate homosexuality, anything goes etc.
Possibly the "progressive Muslims" are even a public relations outreach by groups such as CAIR who see the handwriting on the wall and desperately want to paint a picture of peaceful, normal neighbors before the inevitable happens.
"...I don't believe that all Muslims are willing to take up the jihad in America...I take their silence as silent approval."
Good post. Given the difficulties in sorting them out, the burden of proof should not be upon us. I'd rather err on the side of caution and deport as many as we legally can...and we can change any law that needs changing.
Islam has not changed for 1400 years and will never change. It is intolerant. The Europeans and leftist Americans talk about "moderate muslims." Keep dreaming.
Westen Europe is dead and we will follow them if we don't protect our borders.
"Anyone who is here who is not a Christian is a guest. "
Taking it a bit further, your definition of me as a guest in my own native-born country is insulting. I am not a guest, and you are not the host. Both of us are full-blown citizens of this nation, as is every single native-born citizen.
Please don't insult me because I believe differently from you. Instead, see what I do. See what I represent. Then judge that, on an individual level.
You are not a "better" citizen than I am, simply because you claim Christianity. You are just another citizen.
The 'perfect storm' inside of America is brewing. IMO.
It will only happen when America wakes up, if that isn't already too late.
"...You will not deport me. That's against the law. It's against the Constitution. If you come to try, you'll find out that I'm no patsy, thanks to my service in the USAF and my lifetime of hunting...."
That won't save you. Any law can be changed or article amended. Unless you publicly disavow Jihad, you are threatening my home, my family, and my nation. I can't risk hoping that your USAF service is a higher calling than what you believe Allah calls you to do - kill Infidels.
I'm sure they'll get better.
Gee, I thought that is why we had laws...to define who needs to stay and who needs to be punished.
This country was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic, and our laws and set-up certainly reflect it, as well as a number of our founders, who were men who recognized the importance of Scripture. Ergo, a Christian nation.
Laws should be enacted which determines what makes for a good citizen. If you ain't a good citizen, we should make you leave.
I don't think that any of my views are alien to the Constitution, unless, of course, you are partial to a revisionist view of history.
Not even saying that someone has to believe the way that I do in order to stay here. But someone who does not follow the principles set forth in our Constitution, i.e. supporting treasonous acts and jihad, sure as heck shouldn't be allowed to live here.
Thank you for defending this great nation.
"That won't save you. Any law can be changed or article amended. Unless you publicly disavow Jihad, you are threatening my home, my family, and my nation. I can't risk hoping that your USAF service is a higher calling than what you believe Allah calls you to do - kill Infidels.
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Of course I condemn Jihad. I do not condemn every Muslim, however, simply because some Muslims have attacked us. I know a few Muslims, and every one of them has condemned Jihad to me personally.
Do not, please, make the mistake of believing that your self-claimed Christianity makes you a better citizen than I am.
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