Posted on 11/22/2004 7:14:57 AM PST by Birdstrike
"...Basic problem with the articles premise, they won't stay in their own country!"
They don't have to, as long as they stay away from ours, They can run a medievel Islam society in their region if they choose, but it can't be permitted to threaten us from within as it now does.
I do not feel that I am at war with all Muslims...only anti-American terrorists that use Islam for their own purposes.
To quote what I said:
"Our founding Fathers saw America as a Christian nation. Anyone who is here who is not a Christian is a guest. Guests who do not honor your home and heritage need to leave."
Honoring my home and heritage means being peacable, a good citizen, etc. I am not proposing kicking people out who are not believers in Christ. I AM proposing deporting anyone, citizen or not, who makes for a bad houseguest.
"...And how do we unbrainwash the masses who've bought into it?"
Don't think you can. But Jihad is obviously intolerant of living in peace with western civilization .That's why you ship them out to a region where they can practice it to their heart's content.
Islam, The Cult of Death™.
""Our founding Fathers saw America as a Christian nation. Anyone who is here who is not a Christian is a guest. Guests who do not honor your home and heritage need to leave."
Honoring my home and heritage means being peacable, a good citizen, etc. I am not proposing kicking people out who are not believers in Christ. I AM proposing deporting anyone, citizen or not, who makes for a bad houseguest.
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It's not YOUR home alone, my friend. It is MY home as well. I was born here. I have defended my nation in the military. Do not make the mistake of believing that anyone who does not believe as you do is not a full citizen.
What you may define as a "good houseguest" is not the law. If I break the law, which I do not, then the society may take me to court and imprison me if I'm found guilty. That's the American way.
You do not get to define what is or is not a "good houseguest." That's why we have laws.
What you are proposing is something other than the United States of America. What you are proposing is something completely alien to our Constitution.
It will not stand.
Well, there it is. I suppose there will always be some sort of knee-jerk movement going on in this country. As always, it ignores the basic fundamentals that make the USA so great.
I despair sometimes.
I view this bunch as either Muslims who refuse to read the Quran and face the truth of their faith, sort of like "progressive Christians" who advocate homosexuality, anything goes etc.
Possibly the "progressive Muslims" are even a public relations outreach by groups such as CAIR who see the handwriting on the wall and desperately want to paint a picture of peaceful, normal neighbors before the inevitable happens.
"...I don't believe that all Muslims are willing to take up the jihad in America...I take their silence as silent approval."
Good post. Given the difficulties in sorting them out, the burden of proof should not be upon us. I'd rather err on the side of caution and deport as many as we legally can...and we can change any law that needs changing.
Islam has not changed for 1400 years and will never change. It is intolerant. The Europeans and leftist Americans talk about "moderate muslims." Keep dreaming.
Westen Europe is dead and we will follow them if we don't protect our borders.
"Anyone who is here who is not a Christian is a guest. "
Taking it a bit further, your definition of me as a guest in my own native-born country is insulting. I am not a guest, and you are not the host. Both of us are full-blown citizens of this nation, as is every single native-born citizen.
Please don't insult me because I believe differently from you. Instead, see what I do. See what I represent. Then judge that, on an individual level.
You are not a "better" citizen than I am, simply because you claim Christianity. You are just another citizen.
The 'perfect storm' inside of America is brewing. IMO.
It will only happen when America wakes up, if that isn't already too late.
"...You will not deport me. That's against the law. It's against the Constitution. If you come to try, you'll find out that I'm no patsy, thanks to my service in the USAF and my lifetime of hunting...."
That won't save you. Any law can be changed or article amended. Unless you publicly disavow Jihad, you are threatening my home, my family, and my nation. I can't risk hoping that your USAF service is a higher calling than what you believe Allah calls you to do - kill Infidels.
I'm sure they'll get better.
Gee, I thought that is why we had laws...to define who needs to stay and who needs to be punished.
This country was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic, and our laws and set-up certainly reflect it, as well as a number of our founders, who were men who recognized the importance of Scripture. Ergo, a Christian nation.
Laws should be enacted which determines what makes for a good citizen. If you ain't a good citizen, we should make you leave.
I don't think that any of my views are alien to the Constitution, unless, of course, you are partial to a revisionist view of history.
Not even saying that someone has to believe the way that I do in order to stay here. But someone who does not follow the principles set forth in our Constitution, i.e. supporting treasonous acts and jihad, sure as heck shouldn't be allowed to live here.
Thank you for defending this great nation.
"That won't save you. Any law can be changed or article amended. Unless you publicly disavow Jihad, you are threatening my home, my family, and my nation. I can't risk hoping that your USAF service is a higher calling than what you believe Allah calls you to do - kill Infidels.
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Of course I condemn Jihad. I do not condemn every Muslim, however, simply because some Muslims have attacked us. I know a few Muslims, and every one of them has condemned Jihad to me personally.
Do not, please, make the mistake of believing that your self-claimed Christianity makes you a better citizen than I am.
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