Posted on 11/22/2004 7:14:57 AM PST by Birdstrike
The Muslim religion preaches the extreme and death to those who do not believe in it. Jihadists are following their religion. They are the greatest threat to the security of the world and therefore they should be kept out of our country and confined to their own, where they can preach what they want and live in the dark ages if they so choose.
They are not a threat because they don't live in democracies, they are a threat becasue of what they believe. Read their "holy" book and see for yourself.
There are hundreds of mosques right here in the USA and millions of muslims, many of whom call themselves Americans. Yet their silence is deafening. Which one can I trust? I have not heard or seen a single one of them speak out against the disregard for human life or the violence that you say is "not the average Muslim."
What and who is the "average Muslim"? Is it one that doesn't commit the violence himself but condones it, finances it and does nothing to prevent it or won't even raise his voice against it? Who are these "moderate and average" Muslims of which you speak and where do they live? Why don't you tell me that? Or should I just wait for the next act of murder and the repetition of silence from the bretheren of those that commit it?
You see I don't care what they "believe" but I do care what they do in my country. As long as they stay in their own country I don't care how they live. I would like to see us stay out of their countries and stop trying to tell them what to believe, how to live or what to do. However, the minute they come out of their lairs they make themselves fair game.
If they or you want me to believe that the "average Muslim" is a good guy that I should trust and give sanctuary in my house, then let the "average Muslims" come forward and let me hear their voice. Until they do, I am unable to tell the difference between this average guy you're talking about and the one that's just waiting for his chance to stab me or my brother in the back.
I'm not asking them to think like me or to believe what I believe and I really don't care if they read the Quran or the Bible. As long as they are a threat I don't want them in my house. It will take a lot of convincing on their part to get me to accept that they are not my enemy. That's their problem not mine. Until they are able to do it, I would like them to go home. I have neither the time or the desire to "convert" them to anything.
You "bought it" after reading racist blogspots.
If you really want to get fired up about Muslims AND Jews, just go to Stormfront.com.
And read Tony Alamo's website if you want to see how nefarious we Catholics are.
Fred Phelps website at godhatesfags.com will make you think gays will be eating at your dinner table tonight.
Why, there's an internet home out there that advocates being suspicious of everybody but lily-white guys with Confederate flags on their trucks.
"...IMO, the key phrase here is... right of the people peaceably to assemble....; if you attack me/us we get to slap you down in spite of your religion, not because of it.
I gotta believe in the Constitution, spent too many years defending it..."
I've defended it as well, 506. But you've already been attacked and that same ideolgy, as espoused by current fundamentalist Muslim Jihad pronouncements, seeks to take from you all that you hold dear...unless you convert to Islam. Christianity isn't holding a dagger to your throat, so to speak, but the Muslim community who supports Jihad, passively or actively, is what you should be concerned about. That threat is very real and it grows worldwide as you discount it and mock those who try to warn you about its dangers. I don't travel in herds - I just read and react to what I see happening.
MineralMan, sinkspur, agnostic bump.
What is with newbie nazis arguing for deportation of folks they don't approve. While the newbies argue that Muslims are the target of their bile, implicit in their posts is a threat to everyone.
Birdstrike = bird poop
"..There is a clear definition right and wrong in this world, and right will always win out over wrong in the end..."
Many valid points and I respect your position. But, remember also, "..all that has to happen for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing..." Right won't win by default; vigilence and, at times, proactive action is required. Action has been pressed against us...Jihad. As we consider appropriate responses, the author posed deportation as one additional policy tool. Don't make it out to be a hate crime. It's a legitimate instrument of policy that has been used before.
Ain't it a kick in the head?
Wanting to deport American citizens because they keep their mouths shut and just go about their business. Accusing them of supporting "jihad" because they go to a mosque.
I'll bet these guys have no use for Israel, either.
"...I would absolutely love to think that the fundamentalist Muslims who are causing the problems are just a radical few who have "hijacked" Islam, and that most Muslims are great, peaceful people. But look around the world and see what a large percentage of Muslims openly root for the terrorists and for the destruction of the USA...we're talking millions. And I fear that many here in the USA are really closet fundamentalists who could become "activated" at any time. Maybe I'm wrong...."
"Well put. I share the same concerns."
As do I amd many Americans. Hence the reason for posting this piece. It's to provoke thought and discussion, which it has. Good things tend to come from that.
When were American citizens deported?
If an American citizen commits a crime, put them in jail.
If they don't comit a crime, leave them the hell alone!
"...Their grasp of American history is appallingly short-sighted and narrow-minded. The Pilgrims didn't come here to start a religious theocracy -- they came here to LEAVE a religious theocracy!"
Your grasp of legitimate national security threats is what appears to be short sighted. You wouldn't recognize Jihad if it came up and bit you on the arse. There may not be a "religious theocracy" here or anywhere else if we refuse to acknowledge the threat posed by radical Islam fundamentalism. That's the real threat. Got Arabic?
The only "good thing" to have come out of this thread is to realize that FR has been invaded by some marginal racists of late, and to remember who they are.
they aren't for it at all, they just want to argue the position. The extreme liberal is a communist, the extreme conservative is a facist. They are playing facists to see who bites. That's all.
"There may not be a "religious theocracy" here or anywhere else if we refuse to acknowledge the threat posed by radical Islam fundamentalism. That's the real threat."
Hey -don't blame me - I didn't vote for the President who has continued to make the Mexican border the entry point of choice of Islamic terrorists looking for an easy entrance into our country.
Oh, Jihad sux, btw.
Here's a question for your "roundup" idea: What's to prevent any Muslims in question from simply saying "Yeah - Jihad sux and so does Allah!!", just to avoid your exportation, only to be lying and continue forming terrorist cells once you and your jack-booted thugs leave?
See - not only is the idea unAmerican, it also isn't remotely a solution. All a Muslim has to do here is lie.
"...It's not really a matter of deporting them just engaging them and making them understand that our law supercedes the Koran....'
Under the best of circumstances that argument might buy you time with some. But you underestimate the committment of fanaticism. We've already underestimated this ideology for the past quarter century. What is it going to take to get Joe Sixpack to sit up and realize that we are under siege. Islam is not a passive tolerant orthodoxy. It seeks dominance at all costs and that is why we are facing worldwide Jihad against us. What part of that don't we understand?
Yeah. I noticed that Birdstrike is quite the intellectual.
You just go right on believing that. OK?
Actually, I don't. The fanaticism I see on this thread scares the hell out of me.
"...While the newbies argue that Muslims are the target of their bile, implicit in their posts is a threat to everyone.
Birdstrike = bird poop"
That's brilliant Sinkspur. Did your buddies help you come up with that one? The threat is indeed to everyone but Birdstrike didn't launch a Jihad did he? Who did? Oh, the radical Muslims? Why don't you address their threat to this nation? Again, deportation is a policy option and may or may not be advisible. But it's a working solution. Have you come up with anything other than birdstrike = bird poop?
Yo - Bird poop, I'm berkeleybeej, not the delightful and intelligent Sinkspur. I notice you edited my reference to "newbie nazis." If you're gonna quote, you gotta quote it all.
BTW, deportation as outlined in the article you posted or in your posts defending it, is NOT an option.
"...What's to prevent any Muslims in question from simply saying "Yeah - Jihad sux and so does Allah!!", just to avoid your exportation, only to be lying and continue forming terrorist cells once you and your jack-booted thugs leave..."
Who said anything about jack booted thugs? If deportation becomes US policy and is carried out by law enforcement agencies. where's the thuggery in that. It could be the law of the land. Look, the piece raised some interesting observations and possible courses of action. If we're overrun, we're overrun, I guess. It's apparent that you and your buds regard the poster's ideas as more of a threat to yoor way of life than the barbarians that seek the overthrow of western civilization. Now who's being shortsighted?
My apologies sinkspur. I used your name in post 197 and neglected to copy you.
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