Time to Deport The Muslims?

Flightinfo.com Non-Aviation Related Chat Message Board ^ | 29 Nov 04 | Birdstrike

[Birdstrike]

The Muslim religion preaches the extreme and death to those who do not believe in it. Jihadists are following their religion. They are the greatest threat to the security of the world and therefore they should be kept out of our country and confined to their own, where they can preach what they want and live in the dark ages if they so choose.

They are not a threat because they don't live in democracies, they are a threat becasue of what they believe. Read their "holy" book and see for yourself.

There are hundreds of mosques right here in the USA and millions of muslims, many of whom call themselves Americans. Yet their silence is deafening. Which one can I trust? I have not heard or seen a single one of them speak out against the disregard for human life or the violence that you say is "not the average Muslim."

What and who is the "average Muslim"? Is it one that doesn't commit the violence himself but condones it, finances it and does nothing to prevent it or won't even raise his voice against it? Who are these "moderate and average" Muslims of which you speak and where do they live? Why don't you tell me that? Or should I just wait for the next act of murder and the repetition of silence from the bretheren of those that commit it?

You see I don't care what they "believe" but I do care what they do in my country. As long as they stay in their own country I don't care how they live. I would like to see us stay out of their countries and stop trying to tell them what to believe, how to live or what to do. However, the minute they come out of their lairs they make themselves fair game.

If they or you want me to believe that the "average Muslim" is a good guy that I should trust and give sanctuary in my house, then let the "average Muslims" come forward and let me hear their voice. Until they do, I am unable to tell the difference between this average guy you're talking about and the one that's just waiting for his chance to stab me or my brother in the back.

I'm not asking them to think like me or to believe what I believe and I really don't care if they read the Quran or the Bible. As long as they are a threat I don't want them in my house. It will take a lot of convincing on their part to get me to accept that they are not my enemy. That's their problem not mine. Until they are able to do it, I would like them to go home. I have neither the time or the desire to "convert" them to anything.

[America1stParty]

How many Constitutional repugnancies are you lying down for at this very moment?

I can start a list and we'd be adding to it for months.

We do not live in a Constitutional Republic, just a dying Republican form of Democracy.

The remainder of the Constitution will be suspended if Muslims or Muhammadans or Islamicists in America step one inch out of line.

So, which do you prefer? Dealing with the problem now, befor it becomes one, or later, after innocent blood in America is spilled?

[Zionist Conspirator]

these screams of Hell don't take into consideration the fact that Jews do not believe in Hell... :-)

There most certainly is a Gehinnom [Hell]. It can take on many forms. Reading your posts proclaiming yourself an "expert on Judaism" is one of them...

LOL!

Oh well . . . some people on this forum are being confirmed in their false beliefs, but at least I'm getting enough suffering out of Piti's posts to make any further gilguls superfluous!

[notigar]

Ok. I get that you are here trying to go extreme with whatever your perceived notions of patriotism are, but can you at least make it intelligible?

[America1stParty]

If you don't understand what I posted, think about it and get back to me.

"Intelligible" is a 2-way street in order to work.

[notigar]

"How many Constitutional repugnancies are you lying down for at this very moment?" -- you posit that its bad to violate the constition. You would destroy the constitution. Terrorists don't have that power, americans do. I get what your trying to do, but there are thoughtful people here. Quit wasting time.

[America1stParty]

What am I going to waste my time trying to do here?

I pointed out that 'you' (whomever) defend Constitutional rights out of one end of your physiology and crap on others out of the other end.

So, again, what exactly, truthseer, am I trying to do to the 'thoughtful' FReepers, such as yourself?

[Bella_Bru]

America 1st Alliance? Sounds like one of those lovely Buchanan/Birch-er anti-Israel groups.

[America1stParty]

It's not.

Sounds as well as looks can be deceving.

[506trooper]

Don't get me wrong here. There is a problem;we have to deal with it, and now is a much better time than later.

I am for controlling immigration, especially from middle eastern countries, especially in light of the current war on terror.

I believe we needed mass immigration in the early part of our history; it was a big land, and required lots of people to develop it.

My paternal relatives arrived here in the 1600's and my maternal grandparents in the early 1900's, so I am here as a result of looser immigration policies, and extremely grateful.

Times have changed. This country can no longer accept great influxes of people who don't like where they live. They need to stay in their own country and work or fight to make it more like their own Utopian dream.

I believe all illegal aliens should be deported. Now. No exceptions. It may sound callous, but necessary. I believe all Resident non-citizens who commit felonies need deporting after serving punishment. Now. No exceptions. All naturalized citizens get the same constitutional protections as those of us born here. No exceptions. I believe in the death penalty, and if the crime warrants it, apply it. The Constitution should never be suspended for any reason (I have a little problem with some of the wording of the Patriot Act and am watching the application very closely), but the Constitution is, as written, the finest document of it's kind.

Read the preamble. We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It does not imply perfection, it simply says in Order to form a more perfect Union and Article V allows for amendments because they were smart enough to realize things change.

I doubt the Constitution will ever be amended to exclude a specific religion (I certainly hope not), but if it does I'll support it, because it is the document that provides us, the people, our protections..

IMO, the Constitution is the will of the people and must be supported. I do not agree with many of the interpretations of the Constitution by liberal courts, but I am bound by oath to support it.

[America1stParty]

Thank you so much for taking the time to post this.

I wish I could take the time, right now, to respond and converse.

I will be back later and respond. Have a good day!

[notigar]

Which am I crapping on?

[Blzbba]

"Our Jewish friends would probably disagree.
Not all of them. Many have converted and are accepting Jesus as the Son of God. Hallelujah!!! Praise the Lord!!!"


Then they are no longer Jewish.

[Birdstrike]

"...I would absolutely love to think that the fundamentalist Muslims who are causing the problems are just a radical few who have "hijacked" Islam, and that most Muslims are great, peaceful people. But look around the world and see what a large percentage of Muslims openly root for the terrorists and for the destruction of the USA...we're talking millions. And I fear that many here in the USA are really closet fundamentalists who could become "activated" at any time. Maybe I'm wrong...."


Well put. I share the same concerns.

[Blzbba]

"Pffft..I hear the 'hell' thing more times a day than I care to count."



Yeah, really. It was a nice concept to frighten people into submission and ensure that they continue to pay 'sin tax' to the Church, but I have the Georgia State Penitentiary to do that for me nowadays (the fear factor, anyways!).

I wonder how long it will be until someone throws some quote from some book that was written 1000s of years ago to 'definitely prove' Hell to me?

[Birdstrike]

"Most Muslims see radical, fundamentalist Islam as a threat to their own religion. Saying that their silence is deafening only shows you know no Muslims personally, and you don't care to."


How would I know that? If true, it is not proclaimed from the mosques in my city. They don't write letters to the editors of our local paper. That was the point of the author; silence is viewed as tacet concurrence.
PS/Nadeem is my friend, but I don't know him well enough yet to ask him if he supports Jihad. I will, though.

[Blzbba]

" It's amazing how many folks seem to think that the 1st Amendment only applies to Christians of the more conservative sort. "


Indeed. Their grasp of American history is appallingly short-sighted and narrow-minded.

The Pilgrims didn't come here to start a religious theocracy -- they came here to LEAVE a religious theocracy!

[Birdstrike]

"Saying that Muslim-Americans are a threat to national security puts YOU on the other side of the fence from me.
You will find some supporters, but the vast majority of us here are not in favor of deporting American citizens."


If you choose to defend a theism that publicly states that it seeks the destruction of western civilization and anything associated with it, then have it. You won't be the "vast majority " for long if we suffer another 9-11 like attack. This is so much bigger than "deporting American citizens." This is about Jihad which is coming for you. You had better wake up and begin to deal with the massive scope of the problem.

[Tribune7]

It's not really a matter of deporting them just engaging them and making them understand that our law supercedes the Koran.

I.e. if a Moslem abuses his daughter or won't allow her an education, that Moslem runs the risk of losing custody.

And that his daughters and sons will be taught they have the right to reject Islam without be subject to violence.

[Birdstrike]

"...This kind of stuff is more annoying than anything else, but it needs to be countered whenever it pops up. I'm glad to see that most Freepers don't buy this crap..."

It's not crap M&M, it's a legitimate response to a barbaric threat. I didn't buy it the first time I heard it proposed either...but as you consider it as an option, it begins to make more sense in light of the threat we are facing. I don't think you truly understand the repercussions of Jihad and the threat it poses to our nation. Deportation isn't the answer, certainly...but under certain conditions it may well be part of it.

[sinkspur]

If you choose to defend a theism that publicly states that it seeks the destruction of western civilization and anything associated with it, then have it. You won't be the "vast majority " for long if we suffer another 9-11 like attack. This is so much bigger than "deporting American citizens." This is about Jihad which is coming for you. You had better wake up and begin to deal with the massive scope of the problem.

There is nothing bigger than depriving American citizens of their citizenship. Where would you deport American citizens, who were born here and have lived here all their lives, to?

There is no "jihad" coming for me from Muslim-Americans.

You just hate Muslims and want to hide behind radical Islamist non-citizens to trash those who follow Islam in America.

I won't join you in your bigotry.