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Electoral-Vote.com: Kerry 283, Bush 246 [10/31]
Electoral-Vote.com ^ | 10/31/04 | Electoral-Vote.com

Posted on 10/31/2004 11:09:49 AM PST by jern



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To: jern

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!


21 posted on 10/31/2004 11:15:10 AM PST by MisterRepublican
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To: jern

this is crap... Bush has NE, NM, FL and IA for sure...


22 posted on 10/31/2004 11:15:11 AM PST by latina4dubya
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To: jern

This site has lost any relevance they had at one time. This site always gives Kerry any, and I really any, points they can dig up.

Motto: "Any poll favoring Kerry will do".


23 posted on 10/31/2004 11:15:14 AM PST by Chuck54 ("I'm voting with Mary Cheney")
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To: jern

His map doesn't even match his own numbers


24 posted on 10/31/2004 11:15:30 AM PST by SmithL (Vietnam-era Vet: Still fighting Hillary's half-vast left-wing conspiracy)
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To: jern

Based on the very latest polls.........

http://www.tripias.com/state/#map

Bush: 295 Electoral Votes (157 likely, 138 uncertain)
Kerry: 243 Electoral Votes (176 likely, 67 uncertain)


25 posted on 10/31/2004 11:15:35 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: jern; Admin Moderator

This is a pro-Kerry site.

The info is interesting, but it does NOT merit front page billing.


26 posted on 10/31/2004 11:15:40 AM PST by FairOpinion (GET OUT THE VOTE. ENSURE A BUSH/CHENEY WIN.)
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To: jern

In Kerry's dreams. Bush is ahead in the state polls in FLA, NM, IO and NV. This is total BS. There is absolutely no empirical data to support a Kerry win in any of those 4 states.


27 posted on 10/31/2004 11:16:15 AM PST by CWW (Only a few days remaining -- get the vote out folks!!)
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To: jern

On what basis is he giving Fla. and NM to effin? This is rubbish!


28 posted on 10/31/2004 11:16:17 AM PST by Witch-king of Angmar
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To: jern

The problem with the map, is that the latest state poll and only the latest poll is used, and since Zogby publishes state polls about twice a day, the map is unduly Zogbyized.


29 posted on 10/31/2004 11:16:49 AM PST by Torie
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To: hobson

Because they're trolls.


30 posted on 10/31/2004 11:17:03 AM PST by Archangelsk (Plain, simple soldier. Nothing more, nothing less.)
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To: jern
Gallup had Bush up by 8 pts in Florida nine days before the election. Never in their history has Gallup failed to call the spread between two candidates by an error of over six points in a state poll released within ten days of the election. They would have to err by nine points for Kerry to take Florida.

What the above map may represent is the "litigation strategy" for the Democrats.
31 posted on 10/31/2004 11:17:22 AM PST by StJacques
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To: My Favorite Headache

This website for me is suspect and has been for awhile when you consider some of its sources. Can anyone suggest one that's non-partisan?


32 posted on 10/31/2004 11:17:23 AM PST by outofhere2 (Another badd production from the Kerry Campaign.)
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To: montereyp1
Something's off here.

This is one the main websites pushing the "bush was wired during the first debate" scam. At that point, it was totally discredited in my eyes.

He also took down his "Projected Final" map when it showed a HUGE (HUGH?) Bush win. He didn't put it back up until he could come up with a way to rig it for Kerry

Used to average the polls until he realized that pro-kerry ZOGBY would always be the "most recent" poll. Now he uses the most recent poll to generate the map.

I don't trust this source any more than I trust McAuliffe's predictions. Watch Dales or Election Projection. They use actual methodology.

33 posted on 10/31/2004 11:17:46 AM PST by franklog
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To: jern

COUGH COUGH BULLSH*T

http://jaycost.blogspot.com/2004/10/state-and-national-poll-update-updated.html

State and National Poll Update (Updated 9 PM CST)
NOTE: I have adjusted this data to account for the whole slew of Mason-Dixon polls which reader JB was kind enough to bring to my attention.

I decided that since there were so many screwy polls arriving at our electronic doorstep between now and Tuesday, I owe it to you to sort through them. Below are the unweighted averages of all the polls which I consider to be reputable.

Now, since I am exising polls whose methodology I do not like, I think it only appropriate to let you know which polls I am using. One of these polls is Strategic Vision, which does work for Republican politicans. Realclearpolitics will not use their polls to filter their averages. However, they have a good track record and are generally in line with other state polls. Thus, I see no problem using them. I will include equally reputable Democratic polls, should any come to my attention (note that I do not think Democracy Corps is sufficiently reputable).

One technical note, which might surprise you: I have decided to incorporate the Newsweek poll on an ad hoc basis. The reason for this is that Newsweek is, bar none, the best at publishing its internals. They publish everything. So, I have decided to include their polls, pending a review. This one looks pretty kosher, though I think they slightly under-sampled Democrats and over-sampled Independents -- I have included LA Times and ABC News, both of which over-sample Democrats. So everything balances out.

I never had a good a priori reason for excising Newsweek. As my reasons against Newsweek have always been a posteriori, i.e. they just come up with screwy results that nobody is replicating, I have decided that they can be included pending review. Since Newsweek is really, really, really good about releasing its data, and the data seems up-to-snuff this week, this warrants their inclusion. My position on the poll also warmed after I discovered that NBC/WSJ use the same polling outfit, Princeton Associates, for their polls. NBC/WSJ is a fairly decent poll -- so the Newsweek methodology cannot be all that screwed up (inherently at least).

In retrospect, I believe I have been a little too hyperbolic when it comes to Newsweek. My apologies to Eleanor Clift (on this matter, anyway).

Ohio
Bush: 47.93%
Kerry: 46.89%
MOE: 1.4%
(Respondents: 3,511; Polls Used: LA Times, Cleveland Plain-Dealer, Mason-Dixon, Strategic Vision)
Based on these results, we can be 80.51% confident that Bush presently has a lead.

Florida
Bush: 49.13%
Kerry: 45.58%
MOE: 1.4%
(Respondents: 4,683; Polls Used: Insider Advantage, Strategic Vision, LA Times, Gallup, Quinnipiac, NY Times, Mason-Dixon)
Based on these results, we can be 99.88% confident that Bush presently has a lead.

Iowa
Bush: 49.24%
Kerry: 45.98%
MOE: 1.9%
(Respondents: 2,675; Polls Used: Mason-Dixon, Research 2000, Strategic Vision, Gallup)
Based on these results, we can be 99.34% confident that Bush presently has a lead.

Wisconsin
Bush: 47.77%
Kerry: 46.36%
MOE: 1.2%
(Respondents: 1,971; Polls Used: Mason-Dixon, Strategic Vision, Badger Poll)
Based on these results, we can be 81.33% confident that Bush presently has a lead.

Minnesota
Bush: 45.1%
Kerry: 46.5%
MOE: 2.1%
(Respondents: 2,189; Polls Used: Mason-Dixon, Strategic Vision, Humphrey Institute, St. Cloud State University)
Based on these results, we can be 68.79% confident that Kerry presently has a lead.

Pennsylvania
Bush: 47.08%
Kerry: 48.52%
MOE: 1.4%
(Respondents: 4,251; Polls Used: West Chester University Gallup Quinnipiac, LA Times, Temple University)
Based on these results, we can be 92.07% confident that Kerry presently has a lead.

Nationwide
Bush: 49.57%
Kerry: 46.28%
MOE: +/- 0.9%
(Respondents: 8,954; Polls Used: ABC News, Fox News, LA Times, Gallup, Newsweek, Battleground)
Based on these results, we can be 99.9997% confident that Bush presently has a lead.
Present Probability that Bush will win the Electoral College: 96.36% (This is the probability that Bush wins FL and IA and WI or OH. Thus, we can be 96.36% confident that Bush would receive a minimum of either 271 EVs or 281 EVs).

Evaluation: Bush looks to be in very strong shape in IA and FL. At this point, his numbers are inching closer and closer to 50%. His numbers in Ohio are coming back to their levels from mid-October. I believe this is due mostly to bad polls replacing good polls and then being replaced in turn by good polls. He still likely retains a lead in WI, but the Mason-Dixon numbers are somewhat unsettling (though they are mitigated by the MN numbers, which in this post are skewed by an outlying survey from St. Cloud State).

Bush also seems to be inching upward in PA, due to a string of polls calling the race a tie (Quinippiac even has him up), which might result in a big pro-Bush surprise on Election Night. Gallup should release another PA poll sometime before 11-02. That should be the one to look for.

Right now the EV math is looking awfully tough for Kerry. He is definitely behind in FL, IA and, though I do not cover it here, NM. This gives Bush a minimum of 266 EVs. Plus, Bush is likely leading in OH and WI -- and I think Kerry will be unable to hold MN when all is said and done. The word on the ground is that BC04's organization in MN is a sight to behold. The big question on my mind right now is not whether Bush gets to 269, but whether he breaks 300 (which he would do if he carries FL, IA, NM, WI, OH and MN -- that would be 306).


34 posted on 10/31/2004 11:17:46 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: jern

Mississippi is light red? MISSISSIPPI???


35 posted on 10/31/2004 11:18:05 AM PST by AmishDude (It's ZOTerrific.)
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To: jern

This map depends on Zogby interactive polling what is garbage.


36 posted on 10/31/2004 11:18:44 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: jern
Just check out these links from his own site:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/info/political-humor.html

http://www.electoral-vote.com/info/political-websites.html

http://www.electoral-vote.com/info/faq.html#republican

37 posted on 10/31/2004 11:18:52 AM PST by admiralsn (John Kerry, overheard speaking to John Edwards: "Bring me my brown pants.")
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To: CWW

He also makes WI into a Kerry state, very doubtful.


38 posted on 10/31/2004 11:18:55 AM PST by Brett66 (Dan Rather, the most busted man in America.)
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To: jern

actually might not be a bad thing--if the dems think their man is going to win, they might stay home so less Kerry votes in the battle states. Just a thought that the pushing of Kerry on everyone might backfire on them.
it might be a good thing to show Bush as underdog to strengthen the Republican voters to get out and vote


39 posted on 10/31/2004 11:19:07 AM PST by rebel85
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To: jern
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/RCP_Electoral_Count_Chart.html
40 posted on 10/31/2004 11:19:23 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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