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To: kabar
Not a very friendly neighborhood here lately. I can't believe the cynicism and sniping going on over this. It was suggested on the swiftvets site that maybe the freepers could help.

Who wudda thunk that they would be snubbed when they came here for ideas and help.

Eating our young, as was posted by someone else, is what is going on here. That, and protecting some imaginary electronic turf.

I once thought this was a pretty cool place. Now, everybody wants to be the next Buckhead, but nobody wants to go out to a rally and help the vets by getting a little fresh air and sunshine for a couple of hours. What a joke.

Agree 100%. I see a lot of references to "we" and "us". I guess since this isn't a serious, meaningful FREEP, it must be bogus.

This is the first time I have ever heard that Kerry visited Hanoi. I just don't think there is any there there. The official Navy records that have been released show that Kerry received an Honorable Discharge through the normal process and that he transitioned through the standard reserve process.

Now Navy Chief is trying to cobble together a cockamamie politicals stunt for the benefit of the very same old media that won't dig into Kerry in the first place. Why? What possible freaking sense does that make?

It's not that you're new, it's because a lot of us had never heard of Navy Chief before today, and he pooched his own thread at the Swift Vets site and messed up his credibility here big-time. What was the point of that jerk-around today? What's the point of this D.C. stunt that may not even come off?

Do you get the impression that some people are trying a little too hard to dissuade you?

The thread is still there. There are legalities involved since they are a 527(?)which is why you see the obligatory admin "warnings" and "disclaimers".

The discrepencies in the "official records" are explained. You might have to read a little, including the FBI surveilance obtained through FOIA.

They have been digging for the "proof" for weeks and finally hit paydirt last night.

I have long been a lurker here. I started following the flow at SBVT several months ago, and found them to be very serious and credible. There is a lot more "analysis" and less "cheerleading".

THEY have a track record or getting visibility and attention.

There is way too much ego here (i.e. NIH sysndrome), but little in the way of "track record" of "making a difference". The "proof" that some request will not be published here, for reasons that should be obvious.

Would you prefer they lay out the whole plan in this open, public forum in advance of the rally/press conference?

I wouldn't.

I see a lots of concern for "our reputation". Perhaps you should ask yourselves "Who knows or cares what FR thinks?". Certainly not the MSM.

Do you assume that the general (voting)public will get their information from this site?

Do you think that you can make a difference in this election?

Unfortunately many still get it from the MSM. They have the power, influence exposure and attention. Use it. That is the secret of asymmetrical warfare. Divide and conquer. The Leftists have understood that message for a long time.

The Truth Is Out There - You can wait and read about it on Drudge & elsewhere, or you can help make it happen.

All they are asking for is people to show up, so that they can't be ignored by the MSM.

There are plenty of seats in the bleachers for spectators.

Your choice.

127 posted on 10/30/2004 7:24:02 AM PDT by Socrates1
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To: Socrates1
I see a lots of concern for "our reputation". Perhaps you should ask yourselves "Who knows or cares what FR thinks?". Certainly not the MSM.

I agree. Who cares about "our reputation"... especially if just because we failed to act and massive voter fraud, Kerry is able to win the election by 0.1%. Is "our reputation" more important than 4 years of appeasement that could set the World back 20 years on the War on Terror. Bill Clinton dropped the ball on Saddam, Sudan, Bin Ladin, and North Korea, and the World is still cleaning up his mess.

The rally is a means to get media coverage, which our side is not getting at the moment because MSM and Kerry are controlling the news cycle. Who Dares Wins.
131 posted on 10/30/2004 7:39:30 AM PDT by igoramus987
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To: Socrates1; The Real NavyChief
Do you get the impression that some people are trying a little too hard to dissuade you? The thread is still there. There are legalities involved since they are a 527(?)which is why you see the obligatory admin "warnings" and "disclaimers".

Since you quoted me, you should have credited me, and pinged me while you were at it.

Newsflash for you: the original thread isn't there.

No one's trying to dissuade the Navy Chief, he's being called on to back his play, a play that he took a knee on yesterday afternoon with open receivers. He said he had a former Navy Secretary and the person who gave Kerry his less than honorable discharge. Where's the beef, Chief?

138 posted on 10/30/2004 8:17:00 AM PDT by Fatalis (The Libertarian Party is to politics as Esperanto is to linguistics.)
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