Posted on 09/19/2004 8:38:35 PM PDT by grace522
IF YOU ARE A KERRY FAN PLEASE READ THIS... YOU MAY NOT WANT TO BELIEVE IT, AND YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT, BUT YOU CAN CHECK THE RECORDS.. I know there's a lot of these going around, but this one is verrrrry interesting.... > [Original Message] Subject: Kerry's Military Record? Oh What a Tangled Web He Weaves...
Now that the Kerry team has again raised the issue of President Bush service in the Texas Air National Guard they should be held to answer the question below outlined by Mr. Steve Nash, US Navy, Retired. If Kerry would release all of his Military records, this issue could be put to bed.
"Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director
Authentin SEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy Seals" http://www.authentiseal.org
Military Record
Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,, Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it'because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended!
This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect. There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct,and Dishonorable.
My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was in the Oval Office; Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.
This will blow up in his face before October 15th. ================================================================
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime). On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5). Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year,and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country,especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.
Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."
On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.. Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his not more than 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released? Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?
On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve Inactive.
On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.
Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:
1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.
Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S.Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." ...........................................end..............
Yep, but do you believe anything Kerry puts up on his site. Like I said, he could be just as phoney as the Dan Rather memos.
Whatever the reason, the issue is legally dead.
What does this Kerry debate have to do with draft evaders? Jag may have closed the case on Vets involved in antiwar activities as a knee jerk reaction but I don't think the issue is dead based on this because it is obviously two different issues unless there was more to the order than just this. What legal reason did they give for closing the case or didn't they have to give one?
that is what I am saying. The form on his website is not correct, it is just a memo.
Thanks!
RE Kerry discharge:
I served in U S Air Force as a pilot in 1954 to 1957 on a total of 8 yearws commitment bud did not get my discharge until 1970. They chose not to discharge my 8 year commitment until 1970 for a total of about 16+ years.
I got an honorable discharge in 1970.
Why did Kerry get an early discharge from reserve unless he received a less than Honorable discharg.
Why did they wait until Clinton got all the FBI files to give Kerry an honorable discharge.
Why did they give him a less than honaorable discharge while he was meeting with Viet Cong representative in Paris as well as falsely alleging that all of our GIs were commiting atrocites in Viet Nam??
You have to connect the dots on this posting!!
RE Kerry discharge:
I served in U S Air Force as a pilot in 1954 to 1957 on a total of 8 yearws commitment bud did not get my discharge until 1970. They chose not to discharge my 8 year commitment until 1970 for a total of about 16+ years.
I got an honorable discharge in 1970.
Why did Kerry get an early discharge from reserve unless he received a less than Honorable discharg.
Why did they wait until Clinton got all the FBI files to give Kerry an honorable discharge.
Why did they give him a less than honaorable discharge while he was meeting with Viet Cong representative in Paris as well as falsely alleging that all of our GIs were commiting atrocites in Viet Nam??
You have to connect the dots on this posting!!
RE post 256
You are correct about the F102. Credit for Lt Bush flying this beast has not been rendered. I an very sure Bush spent perhaps 3 times as much time in Flying School as Kerry spent in Viet Nam.
The positive credit for President W Bush Doing his active duty has not been published.
Could he have had his discharge upgraded TWICE? Supposing he had a DD to being with. That could have been upgraded to BCD by Carter, for Carter granted upgrades to Vietnam Vets when he was in office. Or if he had a BCD it could have been upgraded to General Discharge.
Years later Clinton could have upgraded the General Discharge to Honorable Discharge.
That's the only thing that makes sense to account for the late Honorable Discharge, if in fact he does have one. Either way, how did he ever qualify for Congress if he didn't have an Honorable Discharge back then? Does one have to necessarily be convicted of a felony or high crime or misdemeanor to be disqualified to run for Congress?
being = begin
I hear Rather is looking for a good scoop to clear his name...quick call his producer, you know that Mapes mole!
If Dubya falls, this will be one of the biggest gafs by the Republicans.
I agree. Let's do all we can and finish strong.
To: grace522
"I think there was already a post on this and someone explained the 2001 discharge. There is nothing there. If he had been court martialed you would know about it. You can't get a less the Honorable Discharge without due process and there is no evidence of a court martial."
You can get a less then honorable without court martial. If your eval marks are below a 2.0 is one way for this to happen. Captains Mast can also be used. That is non-judicial punishment, so the record would only be in his navy record.
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