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Kerry not Honorably Discharged?
"Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director ^ | 18 Sep 2004 | Steve Nash

Posted on 09/19/2004 8:38:35 PM PDT by grace522

IF YOU ARE A KERRY FAN PLEASE READ THIS... YOU MAY NOT WANT TO BELIEVE IT, AND YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT, BUT YOU CAN CHECK THE RECORDS.. I know there's a lot of these going around, but this one is verrrrry interesting.... > [Original Message] Subject: Kerry's Military Record? Oh What a Tangled Web He Weaves...

Now that the Kerry team has again raised the issue of President Bush service in the Texas Air National Guard they should be held to answer the question below outlined by Mr. Steve Nash, US Navy, Retired. If Kerry would release all of his Military records, this issue could be put to bed.

"Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director

Authentin SEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy Seals" http://www.authentiseal.org

Military Record

Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,, Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it'because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended!

This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect. There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct,and Dishonorable.

My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was in the Oval Office; Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.

This will blow up in his face before October 15th. ================================================================

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime). On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5). Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year,and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country,especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."

On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.. Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his not more than 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released? Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve Inactive.

On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.

3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.

4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.

5. Lt Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S.Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." ...........................................end..............


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To: U S Army EOD

Thank you.


281 posted on 09/20/2004 5:44:42 PM PDT by Robert357 (Dan Rather's evening newscast finished dead last Tuesday night, finished behind a Simpson's rerun!)
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To: aft_lizard
"how come he has a honorable discharge certificate on his website? Dated 1978?"

Maybe it came from the same place Dan Rather received the questionable "Bush memos".

282 posted on 09/20/2004 7:25:19 PM PDT by Robert Lomax
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To: grace522
In another two months, none of this will matter, because John Qerry is:


283 posted on 09/20/2004 7:43:35 PM PDT by Barnacle (Navigating the treacherous waters of a liberal culture)
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To: mhking
I have wondered too. Was John Fubar Kerry honorably discharged? Not even democrat boot licker, Dan Rather, touches that question.
284 posted on 09/20/2004 8:11:44 PM PDT by harpo11 (Go Team BUSH--Bush Doctrine--A Weapon of Mass Terrorist Destruction!)
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To: Paladin2
I'd like to see a side by side comparison...

I sent CBS a challenge to investigate the Kerry issue a week ago.

285 posted on 09/20/2004 8:31:09 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: bluecollarman
Due process can be a Mast, you don't need a court martial. Most of the people who get kicked out for drugs can tell you that, they are masted not court marshaled.
286 posted on 09/20/2004 8:36:28 PM PDT by dila813
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To: bluecollarman
Due process can be a Mast, you don't need a court martial. Most of the people who get kicked out for drugs can tell you that, they are masted not court marshaled.
287 posted on 09/20/2004 8:36:28 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Robert Lomax
you get one whenever your status is changed. DD214 is an administrative document.

Anyone could have requested the generation of this document due to any change in status. DD214 can be issued and then a new enlistment or commission document can be issued.

It could just be an admin. Without seeing his assignments list we can't tell the difference.

I have my entire service record scanned. snuck it out, lucky me.

I can even give you the form numbers you are looking for.

I doubt anyone else can, without a ton of research.
288 posted on 09/20/2004 8:40:28 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Robert Lomax

I looked it up, the document everyone is looking for is called NAVPERS 1070/605 (could be 805, hard to read)

This is the document called "HISTORY OF ASSIGNMENTS"

Every service jacket has this, I believe there are two different form numbers though, one for enlisted and one for officers.

This is the form that you must find, this form lists in chronological order everyplace this person has been assigned, even for temporary duty. In addition, whenever changing status the rank is listed. If there is a Mast, any action is going to be noted on this page.

I found a reference to this document, but not the actual document. The memo talking about this form is dated 1986 (scary stuff).

The following is a memo, but isn't the approved form, the form has a grid on it with the form number on the lower left hand corner, this isn't the correct form. It appears to be a redaction, not an actually copy of the member's service jacket.
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Request_For_History_of_Service.pdf


289 posted on 09/20/2004 9:05:13 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Happy2BMe

Only Fox News would mention this on the air!!


290 posted on 09/20/2004 9:10:18 PM PDT by potlatch (Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.)
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To: FairOpinion

Seems to me that judge who ordered the Pentagon to release the records of President Bush should make the same order for Kerry the Kommie lover...


291 posted on 09/20/2004 9:22:53 PM PDT by celtic gal (no democ RAT rat crap in my house, my GOP CAT keeps em out)
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To: Brian Allen
I'm done explaining it but, having missed my point, you are conversing with only your own imagination. Seems I've been broadcasting in UHF to fellers who are only HF-equipped.

I have read your previous posts and you are broadcasting false information over your UHF channel.

For example:

Kerry's hitch was with the Naval Reserve. The Navy's version of the [EG] Texas Air National Guard...

<< The Reserve is part of the US Navy .... >> As the ANG is part of the Air Force.

From your statements, it is obvious that you were never a commissioned officer who served an active duty tour with the U.S. Armed Forces.

In the National Guard, an officer gets his training and then goes back to civilian life and his "weekend warrior" duty unless his particular unit gets activated.

Officers who graduate from ROTC or NROTC get Reserve commissions but then go directly to active duty tours of at least three years for non-scholarship recipients and four years for scholarship recipients.

Officers who graduate from OCS get Reserve commissions but then go directly to active duty tours of at least four years.

Those three to four year active duty tours are served with the regular units of the U.S. Armed Forces and not with Reserve units.

Only after a Reserve officer is discharged from his initial three to four year active duty tour does he transfer to a Stateside Reserve unit and begin life as a "weekend warrior" if he has any service obligation left.

If your claim is that Kerry joined the Navy instead of the Army to avoid combat, you have a point.

However, making distinctions between Ensigns or Second Lieutenants with Reserve and Regular commissions is a totally bogus point.

Even if Joe Patriot, had volunteered for the U.S. Army and volunteered for a combat tour, if Joe Patriot was not a graduste of West Point, the only way that Joe Patriot could get commissioned as a Second Lieutenant would be through ROTC or OCS and Joe Patriot would have a Reserve commission.

I served eight years of continuous Navy active duty in tours ranging from a guided missile cruiser to Guantanamo to Italy to Navy and Marine Corps bases with a USNR commission. I never spent a single minute in service with a Reserve unit.

You may believe you have "explained" things but you have given false explanations about a topic you are not familiar with.

292 posted on 09/20/2004 10:08:01 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: potlatch

BTT


293 posted on 09/21/2004 2:50:28 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (46 days until November 2nd)
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To: grace522
Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.

Maybe he didn't lie. Didn't he say that he had committed atrocities??? Maybe when he went before congress he was telling them what he had done, without naming himself. Sometimes people who are guilty do strange things to try to relieve that guilt without actually telling on themselves.

294 posted on 09/21/2004 5:03:25 AM PDT by MsLady
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To: Paladin2
I sent CBS a challenge to investigate the Kerry issue a week ago.

CBS isn't capable of fairness, but thanks for trying.

295 posted on 09/21/2004 7:59:32 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: GOP_1900AD; U S Army EOD

Pa called 102's "Lead Sleds"...

Yeah, they did fly. kinda...


296 posted on 09/21/2004 10:37:21 AM PDT by packrat01 (Politics:The ability to say "Islam is a religion of peace" while seeking destruction of Islamist Ter)
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To: Polybius

As far as avoiding combat in the Navy, any time you are out in the ocean, you are in combat.

I was Army, and when not in a combat area I could go home to my wife or the club or down town. If you are on a ship, you can never leave that when you are at sea.

By the way, I learned that lesson the hard way when I sailed my 36' sailboat from England to the States during the WINTER of 77-78 across the North Atlantic.


297 posted on 09/21/2004 10:52:33 AM PDT by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.)
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To: GOPJ

At least they can't claim that they didn't know.


298 posted on 09/21/2004 3:38:26 PM PDT by Paladin2 (SeeBS News - We Decide, We Create, We Report - In that order!)
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To: Casloy
You can't get a less the Honorable Discharge without due process and there is no evidence of a court martial.

Do not concur. You can get a general, under honorable condtions or general, under other than honorable as a result of an Article 15 proceeding which may be what's in the 100 pages he won't release.

299 posted on 09/21/2004 7:45:09 PM PDT by j_tull
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To: j_tull

It's very clear to me a lot has changed in the 35 years since I have been in the military. It was always my understanding that an Article 15 was a disciplinary action taken for relatively minor infractions and the only punishments that could be meted out were reduction in rank, forfeiture in pay, and extra duty. I have never heard of someone being given a less than honorable discharge from an Article 15. I know from my work at the Ft Riley stockade in 1971 that you can easily get a less than honorable discharge with no proceedings if you accept it as an alternative to a court martial. Sort of like a plea bargain in civilian courts and it is possible that is what happened to Kerry.


300 posted on 09/21/2004 8:55:45 PM PDT by Casloy
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