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Kerry not Honorably Discharged?
"Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director ^ | 18 Sep 2004 | Steve Nash

Posted on 09/19/2004 8:38:35 PM PDT by grace522

IF YOU ARE A KERRY FAN PLEASE READ THIS... YOU MAY NOT WANT TO BELIEVE IT, AND YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT, BUT YOU CAN CHECK THE RECORDS.. I know there's a lot of these going around, but this one is verrrrry interesting.... > [Original Message] Subject: Kerry's Military Record? Oh What a Tangled Web He Weaves...

Now that the Kerry team has again raised the issue of President Bush service in the Texas Air National Guard they should be held to answer the question below outlined by Mr. Steve Nash, US Navy, Retired. If Kerry would release all of his Military records, this issue could be put to bed.

"Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director

Authentin SEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy Seals" http://www.authentiseal.org

Military Record

Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,, Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it'because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended!

This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect. There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct,and Dishonorable.

My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was in the Oval Office; Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.

This will blow up in his face before October 15th. ================================================================

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime). On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5). Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year,and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country,especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."

On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.. Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his not more than 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released? Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve Inactive.

On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.

3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.

4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.

5. Lt Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S.Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." ...........................................end..............


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KEYWORDS: discharge; honorabledischarge; kerry; kerrydischarge; napalminthemorning
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To: mhking
"This one smells a little funny-"

Thank you!!!

Swiftvet.com --- let them do it!

261 posted on 09/20/2004 11:51:32 AM PDT by malia ( 9/11/01 terrorist killed over 3,000 on our homeland - they are still killing in Iraq!)
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To: fire_eye

Good Idea!


262 posted on 09/20/2004 11:54:00 AM PDT by Seadog Bytes (OPM* - The Liberal solution to all of society's problems. (*...Other Peoples' Money))
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To: grace522

A belated welcome to FreeRepublic!!


263 posted on 09/20/2004 11:54:03 AM PDT by malia ( 9/11/01 terrorist killed over 3,000 on our homeland - they are still killing in Iraq!)
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To: GOPJ

As I have tried to explain....that was posted in error and I asked to have it removed. I mistook the two-page document as a single document and got alarmed by the content in that context. They were, however, two separate documents. Sorry for the confusion.


264 posted on 09/20/2004 12:20:18 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: outlawcam

Thanks. I figured that out and didn't mean to post that stupid post #98.


265 posted on 09/20/2004 12:21:21 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: wizr

Hi, wizr!


266 posted on 09/20/2004 12:26:34 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: All

I can see this topic is going NOWHERE. UNLESS SOMEONE WITH THE CAPABILITIES AND RESOURCES TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH GAINING CRITICAL INFORMATION THAT PROVES KERRY IS HIDING THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS MILITARY CAREER AND GET THE BACKING OF RECOGNIZED NATIONAL LEVEL NEWS MEDIA .........we are wasting our time.
Some one must step up and do the "hard footwork" and assemble a comprehensive package that can be passed on to those that can get to the bottom of this.

Venting is fine. But is it going to help make the facts known to the American voter?



VIEW ALL THE ENTRIES TO THIS TOPIC over 250 already!


WHERE IS IT GETTING US AS FAR AS GETTING HONEST ACCURATE
INFO INTO THE HANDS OF SOME NEWSMEDIA GROUPS THAT CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?

TRULY.......WE NEED A CHAMPION ON THIS ISSUE TO MAKE CRITICAL CONTACTS THAT CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS ISSUE.


267 posted on 09/20/2004 12:26:51 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Marine_Uncle
TRULY.......WE NEED A CHAMPION ON THIS ISSUE TO MAKE CRITICAL CONTACTS THAT CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

First, we need to define the issue. There are official documents extant, which provide some basic facts. For example, Kerry received an honorable discharge from the Standby Reserves on Feb 16, 1978. The assertion that Kerry received a pardon from Carter has no factual basis whatsoever. Dreaming up such scenarios and then contacting the media doesn't work. We can attack Kerry for his bogus PHs and antiwar activities with the radical VVAW using facts, but concocting a phony discharge story will discredit legitimate attempts to show what a fraud Kerry is.

The focus should be on pressuring Kerry to authorize release of his military records. He won't do it because he is hiding some things. However, we can still own the issue without the records.

268 posted on 09/20/2004 12:41:40 PM PDT by kabar
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To: aft_lizard

bttt


269 posted on 09/20/2004 1:06:55 PM PDT by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo for President/Jeff Flake VP 2004!)
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To: MistyCA
Thanks for clearing it up...

...were, however, two separate documents. Sorry for the confusion.

270 posted on 09/20/2004 1:17:50 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: mhking

Oh come on mhking...we are in the day of CBS standards! It doesn't have to be factual - only accurate. Or it just has to be "something we believe regardless of the lack of evidence". lol


271 posted on 09/20/2004 1:42:13 PM PDT by Fledermaus (If Dan Rather was duped, he's incompetent. If he was in on it, he's proven media bias exist.)
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To: GOPJ

I sent CBS a challenge to investigate the Kerry issue a week ago.


272 posted on 09/20/2004 2:50:51 PM PDT by Paladin2 (SeeBS News - We Decide, We Create, We Report - In that order!)
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To: Robert357

No he was in the Reserve which is Federal


273 posted on 09/20/2004 3:15:55 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.)
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To: Marine_Uncle
TRULY.......WE NEED A CHAMPION ON THIS ISSUE TO MAKE CRITICAL CONTACTS THAT CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS ISSUE. We need to see the records to really know anything. I think the person best qualified to "get Kerry's record" or explain why it cannot be gotten would be B.G. Burkett, author of the famous book . I think he has been active in some way on this issue, I know he spoke at the rally in DC.

Does anybody know Mr. Burkett? Maybe he could at least shed some light on this theory.

274 posted on 09/20/2004 3:38:51 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: angkor
"Doesn't sound right to me. Individual Ready Reserve is applied to those with a remaining service committment. Fleet Reserve is for those with 20-20 years of service."

Same status. Both are ready reserve and both are properly Fleet Reserve that can be re-called in time of war. Retirement pay is actually more like a retainer. There is an age cut off, but I can't remember what it is. I'm thinking 65 or 67. At least that's how was in the 70's and 80's.

275 posted on 09/20/2004 4:01:01 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (www.opgratitude.com)
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To: Casloy
"You can't get a less the Honorable Discharge without due process and there is no evidence of a court martial."

Just as bad for Kerry would be a COC. You can apply for your "OWN Convenience"
discharge and it would be under honorable conditions but inelligible for re-enlistment without authorization.

Class of discharge would be Convenience of Government reason Own Convenience. No one but Kerry would know. Still, it would be a bombshell if anyone found out.

276 posted on 09/20/2004 4:16:54 PM PDT by bluecollarman (And the 4 mos that he served, Had shattered all his nerves,And left a little rice grain in his ass.)
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To: kabar

Your able and reasonable response to my plea is sufficient. I would only add one thing at this point. In your response to me you ended in saying:
"However, we can still own the issue without the records".

Great. But if by "we" you mean people like me that have no power to forward the facts to a large voting block that might vote for snake man thinking he is a war hero, then we will get nowhere. I am not bashing your logic, contrary I agree with you. Guess I sense nothing will come of it. And perhaps it is better this way. He (JFK) must face his maker on judgment day. Let our president be re-elected by a majority of voters in a fair and honest debate on issues.
Thanks for your common sense reply.


277 posted on 09/20/2004 4:17:43 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: \/\/ayne

Burkett is behind the false leaked documents. He is hating,
deluted man, Bush Hater, why would he want to shed any light on what most likey are inconsistencies in JFK's military record? Perhaps I missed the point you where trying to make.


278 posted on 09/20/2004 4:22:15 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: grace522

Dan the Dupe is down for the count. Now it's curry's turn...(as GHWB would say).


279 posted on 09/20/2004 4:51:23 PM PDT by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!)
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To: Marine_Uncle; Buckhead
TRULY.......WE NEED A CHAMPION ON THIS ISSUE

How about we get Buckhead to make us some "forgery detection proof" documents about this and send them to Dan Rather?

280 posted on 09/20/2004 5:03:32 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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