Posted on 09/19/2004 8:38:35 PM PDT by grace522
IF YOU ARE A KERRY FAN PLEASE READ THIS... YOU MAY NOT WANT TO BELIEVE IT, AND YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT, BUT YOU CAN CHECK THE RECORDS.. I know there's a lot of these going around, but this one is verrrrry interesting.... > [Original Message] Subject: Kerry's Military Record? Oh What a Tangled Web He Weaves...
Now that the Kerry team has again raised the issue of President Bush service in the Texas Air National Guard they should be held to answer the question below outlined by Mr. Steve Nash, US Navy, Retired. If Kerry would release all of his Military records, this issue could be put to bed.
"Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director
Authentin SEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy Seals" http://www.authentiseal.org
Military Record
Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,, Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it'because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended!
This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect. There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct,and Dishonorable.
My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was in the Oval Office; Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.
This will blow up in his face before October 15th. ================================================================
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime). On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5). Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year,and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country,especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.
Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."
On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.. Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his not more than 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released? Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?
On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve Inactive.
On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.
Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:
1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.
Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S.Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." ...........................................end..............
Precisely why I think that question NEEDS to be asked during the debates, especially when the Kerry camp has thwon so many allegations toward Bush's Guard service.
That should be thrown...
"At Yale, Kerry was chairman of the Political Union and later, as Commencement speaker, urged the United States to withdraw from Vietnam and to scale down foreign military operations. And this was way back in 1966.
When he approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in Paris, the draft board refused and Kerry decided to enlist in the Navy.
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Both of your statements are accurate, but for added impact you should also add that he was already in the Naval Reserve when he made the antiwar commencement speech, or put the second statement first.
Kerry received an honorable discharge. His progression through the Reserve system was normal. He was released into the inactive reserves on Jan 3, 1970 with no drill requirement, only the requirement to keep the Navy informed of his whereabouts. He was transferred on July 1, 1972 into the Standby Reserves, inactive and received his honorable discharge on Feb 16, 1978.
As a former naval officer who resigned his commission in 1972 and was released from active duty, I had a similar experience. I was transferred into the Standby Reserves and then received my honorable discharge on Feb 16, 1978. A Navy board convenes at least annually to decide who to drop from the Standby Reserves. Kerry and I happened to have been transferred into the Standby Reserves in the same year, hence the same date for our honorable discharges.
Ping for later reading!
There may not be a certificate kept on file, but there is a record that states he did receive an honorable discharge.
When was the second DD214 typed?
Read the comments..Re:1991 discharge or separated from the Navy..
Not true.
Yes. I saw that and decided not to post that, but to my dismay I realized later that it did post! Duh! So I asked the mod to delete it. The entry on the 1st page for the service medal is what had begun to throw me, plus the fact that there was a reference to a second page on one of them, the deleted date on the second page, the different type set on the same page, etc. But I realized they were two separate DD214. Thanks for mentioning it though. :) Is that post still there? Sheesh! LOL.
You receive a DD214 when you are released from active duty. The effective date is Jan 3, 1970.
The post is still on findlaw under the link I provided to you.
If this is true, maye this is why he does not want the book about his service published.
So, you are saying that he has included a DD214 and/or honorable discharge among those papers he has released as of this date? Is that correct?
Yes, he has released his DD214 as of that date. We also have a letter giving him his honorable discharge. See http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/hondisres.pdf
http://www.cattletoday.com/forum/post-42620.html
As you can see Nash's story has been floating around for a while as the dated link of August 28th.
I noitce I mentioned Kerry received his commission on Dec 16, 2004. Of course, it should have been 1966 vice 2004. Sorry about that.
His website has changed since people have looked at the details posted and the media has also produced some glaring differences.
On Jan. 3, 1970, Kerry requested that his superior, Rear Admiral Walter F. Schlech, Jr., grant him an early discharge so that he could run for Congress on an antiwar platform. "I just said to the admiral: `I've got to get out. I've got to go do what I came back here to do, which is, end this thing,'" Kerry recalled, referring to the war. The request was approved, and Kerry was honorably discharged, which he said shaved six months from his commitment.
http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061703.shtml
HUH? What post?
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