Posted on 09/19/2004 8:38:35 PM PDT by grace522
IF YOU ARE A KERRY FAN PLEASE READ THIS... YOU MAY NOT WANT TO BELIEVE IT, AND YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT, BUT YOU CAN CHECK THE RECORDS.. I know there's a lot of these going around, but this one is verrrrry interesting.... > [Original Message] Subject: Kerry's Military Record? Oh What a Tangled Web He Weaves...
Now that the Kerry team has again raised the issue of President Bush service in the Texas Air National Guard they should be held to answer the question below outlined by Mr. Steve Nash, US Navy, Retired. If Kerry would release all of his Military records, this issue could be put to bed.
"Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director
Authentin SEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy Seals" http://www.authentiseal.org
Military Record
Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,, Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it'because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended!
This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect. There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct,and Dishonorable.
My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was in the Oval Office; Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.
This will blow up in his face before October 15th. ================================================================
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime). On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5). Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year,and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country,especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.
Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."
On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.. Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his not more than 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released? Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?
On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve Inactive.
On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.
Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:
1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.
Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S.Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." ...........................................end..............
The FOIA only works if Kerry signs the Form 180.
That's why I asked, I have never heard of a captains or admirals mast. What if the individual appeals?
Naval officers must formally and proactively request a release from their commission from the Secretary Of The Navy. There is no such thing as an "automatic termination" of a commission.
Sorry for yelling, just so many innacuracies on this thread.
Those officers who do not formally request a release from their Naval commission are effectively in the inactive reserves forever.
Kerry evidently waited until 1977/78 to make that request. There's nothing mysterious about it at all.
Thanks for the ping!
Since he refuses to respond and to make his records available, these accusations must be true. Although there are no official records available to substantiate these accusations, the story has a valid thrust.
this is what matters, many who were alive at the time were angry that these people (skerry's, fonda's)were not charged and tried for their crimes. Absolutely no way that this person or any of his minions should ever be given the Presidency by the people. What angers me now is that the Navy actually refuses to release the questioned docs, so that the american people can see that a vicious commie activist is trying to get hold of them.
the red flags are up everywhere. richardson bragging about stopping Nader from even getting on the ballot. skerry will not tell anyone what he has planned for the country if elected. If he can't tell america what he will do, then americans should tell him no thanks.
thanks or the ping
kerry could end this all,
release your records, sign sf180
Hanoi John Kerry also violated a number of other sections of the UCMJ - 802.2, 888.88, 892.92, 894.94, 904.104, 907.107, 910.110, 917.17, 933.133, 934.134,
Thank you!
An interesting topic here ...
One wonders just how many Americans knew that klintoon was pardoned by "goober" Carter before they voted for him - twice?
Or, better perhaps, as the 2004 Presidential debates have now been scheduled, would a question to KetchUp-Kerry, say, "Senator, have you ever been included in an individual or as part of any Federal pardon?" ensure that a similar "slipping through the cracks" as with klintoon is not repeated? [Also, would the people in PJ's have this already answered so that the risk of a "CBS-like implosion" would temper his reply?]
[Recall, KetchUp-Kerry replies about the release of his full miliraty record ... to paraphrase ... "To the best of my knowledge ..." - aka "What is is" ... So I suspect that any moderator (viz., MSM - main stream media) selected will strive to shield him from "telling" questions - military records, pardons, ... Senate voting records, ..., etc.]
The first reference was to Title 10 US Code 1162
The second reference was to Title 10 US Code 1163
The third reference was to Bupersman 3830300 (by memory so I hope that is the proper number)
As far as I can see, particularly with your confirmation that I found the right section, it all has to do with the discharge of a reserve officer.
Looking into his records is an absolute must. You know, about two or three weeks ago this discharge issue was threaded on here and someone explained why the different discharge dates and it was simply a bureaucratic issue. I just can't remember the specifics. I still am skeptical there is anything to this less than honorable dischage issue. Can a person with a lower than General Discharge hold public office? If it is true and it comes out, he is so finished they would have to replace him on the ticket, without question.
It is still possible that Carter gave him a pass so his discharge was honorable. There may not have been any formal charges against him for anything, but maybe his discharge would not have been honorable since he didn't complete his obligation. I don't know.
The only thing that makes sense is the possibility Kerry was being threatened with legal action by the military and he resigned "for the good of the service." It is still a discharge under honorable conditions, but is certainly not an Honorable Discharge. Apparently it is not an unusual thing since the military probably just wants them gone and doesn't want the problems of a court martial.
Interesting.
Seriously, are you saying that he's not released his original DD214...or whatever the Navy gave at that time that was similar?
Has no one seen a discharge from circa 1973-74?
'Could this be the October surprise that the bitch hillary was refering to when talking about the lurch imploding before the election??? '
when did she ever say that?
I thought she was threatening an October surprise against Bush?
btt
IN fact....Everyone needs to look at this because I believe it is BOGUS! It appears to start out being the DD214 issued when his orders were changed to go to Officers Indoctrination and all the Vietnam stuff was added to it! This is so obvious, how did we miss it??? Can someone show that document here???
Wrong. Kerry had two DD214's. The first one you cited is when he was discharged from the Reserves as an OCIU2 and accepted his commission as an Ensign on 16 Dec 2004. Kerry enlisted on 18 Feb 1966 as an OCSA (E-2), USNR (inactive) and commenced active duty on 19 Aug 1966 when he entered OCS.
The second DD214 covers Kerry's service from Dec 16, 1966 to Jan 3, 1970. Check this out (both DD214s):
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/dd214.pdf
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