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1 posted on 08/10/2004 10:21:43 PM PDT by The Bandit
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just as the wounded Lt. Peck had been replaced by Kerry after the January 29th incident

Somehow I doubt that a Lt was replaced by anyone less than the unit commander....a Commander or LtCommander.

I've figured that it took about 3 years active duty to go to 03 (Lt) from 01 (JG). (To CPT from 2LT in army terms)

Does anyone know Kerry's various rank at any given year of his military service?

104 posted on 08/11/2004 3:51:31 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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But flying cold war era National Guard air-defense with the constant potential to be deployed for short periods in Vietnam is evidently not comparable to this in terms of heroism.


105 posted on 08/11/2004 3:56:49 AM PDT by risk
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Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.


108 posted on 08/11/2004 4:00:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Kerry's people have been making a big deal out of the fact that most of the Swiftboat veterans for truth didn't serve on the same boat as Kerry, thus would have no idea what Kerry did or did not do. The Vets claim they were on boats operating WITH Kerry's boat, therefore were frequent witnesses. Well, if not serving on the same boat makes you an unreliable witness, then Alston cannot be a good witness to Kerry's actions either.


109 posted on 08/11/2004 4:01:21 AM PDT by Casloy
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Good one bump.


114 posted on 08/11/2004 5:13:45 AM PDT by jslade (People who are easily offended, OFFEND ME!)
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It is common knowledge that Kerry recreated a record of his service for future political reasons.

Notice how the men and standing close to each other and Kerry is off to the side as if not part of the group.

I heard the Rev. speak and say that he supports Kerry because he, Kerry, put his hand on his shoulder and asked if he was alright.

Poor guy, selling his soul so cheaply.

I have profound sympathy for those willing to be exploited for political gain.

117 posted on 08/11/2004 5:44:00 AM PDT by OldFriend (WAR IS THE REMEDY OUR ENEMIES HAVE CHOSEN)
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Notice too that the man on the far left does not have his dogtags on.


118 posted on 08/11/2004 5:45:37 AM PDT by OldFriend (WAR IS THE REMEDY OUR ENEMIES HAVE CHOSEN)
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Alston spoke at the convention. If this is true, it is big. I would also send to SBVFT.


122 posted on 08/11/2004 5:54:10 AM PDT by kabar
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bump


130 posted on 08/11/2004 6:13:32 AM PDT by dalebert
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Only problem with the above statements is that the are flat out false because David Alston was never a crew member under Sen. Kerry nor could he had ever participated in combat operations with Sen. Kerry because they were from two different boats.

In the interest of keeping a consistent argument, the bolded portion of the above statement would negate almost every member of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. It is undeniable that Kerry and Alston made misleading statements about serving on the same boat, which calls their credibility into question, but (in the interest of accuracy and consistency), they could have been involved in combat operations together while serving on different boats, since those boats worked in close support of one another.

133 posted on 08/11/2004 6:21:19 AM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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If I recall correctly, didn't the Kerry campaign have to take off a story about a battle the PCF 94 was engaged in, because it was with Peck as skipper. If this is the same battle as the one Alston was wounded, this story has some legs.

The only possibility that Alston is in the photo with Kerry's regular crew, is that Alston was filling in for someone temporarily. If you look at the various rosters, for individual boats, you can see that some folks served on multiple boats.

135 posted on 08/11/2004 6:28:47 AM PDT by kabar
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Interesting info. I think we can assume everything about John Fraud Kerry is a lie. What a Lounge Lizard.

CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE BUMP:
Pat Buchanan had O'Neil on Scarborough Country last night for most of the program and they absolutely inviserated Kerry. Then a couple of RATliars came on and Pat destroyed them too. My hat is off to Pat for a change, he did a magnificent job. It was revealed that Kerry's Silver Star was awarded without the requisite three witnesses and was never certified. It was granted on the recommendation of his commander based only upon KERRY'S testimony. He has since said had he known what actually happened he would have never given the recommendation. Sick crap.


140 posted on 08/11/2004 6:41:41 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My Father was 10x the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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This account seems to confuse Alston with Michael J. Givens:

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:LTlqxgcsYp8J:www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/politics/9251042.htm%3F1c+%22david+alston%22+kerry&hl=en

Kerry took over command of Alston's boat, PCF-94, after a battle in which the boat's previous lieutenant had been injured. Alston was also wounded in that fight, a clean gunshot through the arm.

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http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/archives/K/2/pub2117.html

29 JAN 1969 Cua Lon Rivers

Early in the morning seven swift boats embarked on a mission to destroy enemy installations along the Cua Lon River. While Kerry's boat and another (PCF72) were probing a canal along the river, Kerry's boat came under heavy fire and was hit by a B-40 rocket in the cabin area. One member of Kerry's crew -- Forward Gunner David Alston - suffered shrapnel wounds in his head. His injuries were not considered serious and he was sent to the 29th Evac Hospital at Binh Thuy.

(snip)

27 FEB 1969 Bay Hap River

On an evening patrol with two other swiftboats, PCFs 23 and 43, about 26 miles south of Ca Mu, the patrol took heavy fire, including five rockets. Three rockets narrowly missed Kerry's boat, and exploded on the opposite bank. Another rocket exploded near PCF 94, and the fifth exploded near PCF 23, wounding a crewmember on that boat. The boats suppressed the fire and withdrew. During the battle, a sailor on Kerry's boat, Crewmember/Trainee Michael J. Givens was shot in the upper right arm. Givens injuries were not serious and he was sent to the 79th field hospital in Can Tho.




More interesting reading:

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/journal_day2.shtml

John Kerry's Vietnam War journal

Excerpt from a type-written journal kept by John F. Kerry during his tour of duty in the Vietnam War:

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http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061603.shtml

Heroism, and growing concern about war

By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff, 6/16/2003


143 posted on 08/11/2004 6:50:20 AM PDT by maggief
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Nice work Bandito!


144 posted on 08/11/2004 6:55:02 AM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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For your reading pleasure


148 posted on 08/11/2004 7:07:03 AM PDT by antivenom ("Never argue with an idiot, he'll bring you down to his level - then beat you with experience.")
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Sounds like Kerry now believes the swift boat guys who observed his lies from other boats - because they "served WITH him".

Kerry is getting worse than Klintoon with his contortions.

152 posted on 08/11/2004 7:11:40 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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<< Why did the Rev. David Alston put himself into this position of deception and lies? >>

Free lunch.

Free booze.

Free junketing.

And fifteen every-bit-as-unearned minutes.


155 posted on 08/11/2004 7:20:43 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I am, thank God, a hyphenated American -- An AMERICAN-American -- and A Dollar-a-Day FReeper!)
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As has been pointed out, this is keloid formation. It takes years to develop and can occur with quite minor injuries. It says nothing about the severity of the underlying injury. It is easily possible that this was a minor scalp wound and not visible a few weeks after it occurred.


161 posted on 08/11/2004 7:38:02 AM PDT by Toskrin (The timing of this tagline is suspicious.)
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Looks like Yaaaawn and The Band of Traitors have some more splainin to do!! Hey Rev, ever read the part about, Thou shalt not bear false witness???

Pray for W and Our Troops

166 posted on 08/11/2004 7:48:27 AM PDT by bray (Yaaaawn Tax , Tax , Tax & Kerry wants your paycheck!)
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Look carefully at your blow-up of the reverend and the two crew members on the left of the photo:

There is a "fuzzy" distortion around their head and shoulders - exactly as if the pixels between their head and the water were blended or mixed together.

Check a similar "blowup" at a similar magnification of Kerry's head - I'm willing to be you'll see a clean, sharp transition from his head to the water - since that part of thephoto would NOT have been edited.

And, why, oh why, does the shroud in the middle vanish halfway in the middle?


182 posted on 08/11/2004 8:30:01 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue tolie every day!))
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