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Rumsfield will APOLOGIZE to CONGRESS today! I'm going to be SICK!!!
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Posted on 05/07/2004 5:36:02 AM PDT by kcvl

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To: johnb838
If these pictures did not move you, then you are either heartless, or a godless person with a heart full of hate.
161 posted on 05/07/2004 6:43:05 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: madison10
Turn the tables and tell me you wouldn't be mortified to see our guys treated this way. I can't believe you want to parse this.
162 posted on 05/07/2004 6:44:43 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (I am HairOfTheDog and I approved this message.)
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To: philosofy123
Stop with the "take a deep breath". That reminds me of Hillary Clinton.

BTW, I hope you all have the guts to take her on because I am not seeing much of it here. If she runs it will get much dirtier than this. I don't think many of you have what it takes to take her on. She doesn't play nice because she is in it for keeps. Good luck if she decides to run because we wouldn't want to upset her if she gets attacked. Ask Rick Lazio.
163 posted on 05/07/2004 6:44:57 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: madison10
You don't need to be done... you just have a very narrow view of torture, that's all.

Do you condone what these soldiers did? Do you believe they were just having good ole frat boy fun? Or do you believe they crossed a line?

164 posted on 05/07/2004 6:46:26 AM PDT by carton253 (I don't do nuance)
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To: kcvl
You have to get over that and recognize that it's in the past. This has nothing to do with the Klintons.

What matters now is that the American soldiers who did this (and the leaders who either let them or permitted the environment to fester) have let the Presdient and the people of America down. The senior Army and OSD leaders who then tried to bottle this up share a great deal of the responsibility.

I feel for the good and honorable men and women who are putting their lives on the line over there only to have their Army sullied by this incident. And I pity the next American prisoners to be taken and the treatment that will now befall them.

Rummy owes apologies to a whole host of Americans, not just the Congress.

165 posted on 05/07/2004 6:47:25 AM PDT by O6ret
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To: r9etb
If you don't like what I posted you are free to stay off of the thread.

If you would like it all to yourself I will be more than happy to let you have it.
166 posted on 05/07/2004 6:47:45 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: MamaLucci
That's great. Since Clinton and Reno didn't apologize for Waco, we're free to humiliate and torture Iraqi prisoners at will and have some sort of official accountability??

I'm amazed at how easily my fellow Freepers would stoop to the Klintonian depths of callous disregard for REALITY.

No one gives a crap about Waco right now. If you want to use that as an historical point, I agree with you 100%. But it's not a viable argument regarding Iraq.
167 posted on 05/07/2004 6:47:57 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: cyncooper
I am saddened, deeply saddened that you are taking it so hard. I apologize for treating those prisoners who were trying to kill our soldiers so disrespectful. Even though I am thosands of miles away, I am sorry, I am sorry, I am sorrrry it was not sanctioned!
168 posted on 05/07/2004 6:48:04 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: kcvl
If she runs it will get much dirtier than this.

Terrific. Then they are the ones who look bad. People can see through this. Let me say this again. This whole episode will only hurt the side that cares more about politics than the real issue. It will not hurt the side that actually is honest and devoted to seeing crap like those pictures STOP.

169 posted on 05/07/2004 6:48:48 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (I am HairOfTheDog and I approved this message.)
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To: kcvl
Now you're whining. If you don't want people to post to your thread, then don't post the thread in the first place.

And if you do want people to post, then don't make yourself such an easy target.

170 posted on 05/07/2004 6:49:36 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Piquaboy; kcvl
I am saddened, deeply saddened that you are taking it so hard. I apologize for treating those prisoners who were trying to kill our soldiers so disrespectful. Even though I am thosands of miles away, I am sorry, I am sorry, I am sorrrry it was not sanctioned!

Case in point.

171 posted on 05/07/2004 6:51:09 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: CedarDave; kcvl
Too much apologizing goin' on for my liking.

We need to keep in mind that there are at least two different kinds of apologies being discussed here, very different.

One kind is a sincere apology from the heart, for something that has happened to stain this country's honor. It has nothing to do with personal culpability of the apologizer. It's just saying all of America is truly sorry to find out about this. They personally are truly sorry to find out about this. Bush and Rummy would both like to give one of these, and they should.

Hell, I didn't even know about this scandal until CBS showed the pics and I apologize, to anyone in the world that thinks this is how America treats people, I apologize. It's not true. I am personally ashamed of what happened. However I am not guilty. If I had been in charge at that prison, it never would have happened. If I had been in charge with many degrees of separation between me and that prison, as with Rummy, I probably wouldn't have known about it while it occurred. But I would expect to hear about it by the next day. Soonest. And once I knew about it, it would have been the lead item the next morning with the President. IMHO.

Now the OTHER kind of apology is what the Democrats are screaming for. They smell political blood, they are desperately holding up their Kerry doll and they badly need something with which to smear Bush. What they want is an admission of personal culpability. They want Rummy, and then Bush, to do a perp walk ala Nixon and say "I'm a miserable failure" as a prelude to a crashing defeat at the polls. THIS IS WRONG. This is why Bush is reluctant to apologize for anything, because the media vultures and the Democratic scavengers are waiting for blood, waiting to blow up and magnify any sort of admission of any mistake.

Remember the last Bush press conference? That one reporter asked "Can you think of any mistakes you've made in office?" or something like that. Hundreds of media hyenas waited with baited breath, recorders at the ready, fingers on autodial to print next morning's headline scandal. They were hoping for "Maybe I wouldn't have gone into Iraq" which would have become BUSH ADMITS MISERABLE FAILURE ON IRAQ QUAGMIRE in the NY Times. They were bitterly disappointed.

So it is a prickly thing to apologize for one's country and yet not cave to the bloodlust of the bottom feeders. I wish Rummy well however this comes out.

172 posted on 05/07/2004 6:51:46 AM PDT by Sender (click HERE for Democratic plan to defeat terrorism)
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To: kcvl; r9etb
If you don't like what I posted you are free to stay off of the thread.

He's also free to argue with you about it.

I am glad he is... there are a few people here who are in desparate need of a reminder about what right and wrong is.

173 posted on 05/07/2004 6:52:19 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (I am HairOfTheDog and I approved this message.)
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To: philosofy123
Tell that to the "godless" terrorists who want to kill us.

Now we have Congressman Elija Cummings on Fox News (I know some don't think it's a legitimate news source today) saying that it was more than just a few who did this. It was "widespread". I guess he's as smart as some on here who seem to know what happened even though the investigation isn't even over yet.

Isn't he the same Congressman who thought sharks were swimming the path of the slaves ships?

174 posted on 05/07/2004 6:52:48 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: r9etb
Please don't ping me to your post. I could care less what you think about anything.
175 posted on 05/07/2004 6:53:32 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: r9etb
or at least rationalize them away.

IMO .. many are just frustrated on how the media is handling this .. and I agree the media will harp some more about this .. and I also agree that Bush and Rummy did nothing wrong .. they didn't cover anything up

And yes, I realize war is messy and at times things happen that shouldn't ...

But when that happens we should own up and correct the wrong.

Which is what they are doing .. those soldiers will be dealt with and the honor will be restored back to our military.

176 posted on 05/07/2004 6:53:58 AM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: kcvl
If you don't like what I posted you are free to stay off of the thread.

LOL! Awesome. The first ever totalitarian thread on Free Republic. Thanks for giving us your unimpeachable opinion on everything.

177 posted on 05/07/2004 6:55:07 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: kcvl
"godless" terrorists are one thing...

unarmed men in our power are another thing...

As for the "godless" terrorist, kill every last man of them.

As for unarmed men in our power and in our care... treat them according to our principles and our moral standards.

Base behavior doesn't make us victors...

178 posted on 05/07/2004 6:55:41 AM PDT by carton253 (I don't do nuance)
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To: kcvl
Please don't ping me to your post.

I take it you don't like to see an instance of rationalization of the sort I described.

It's all very well to whine about Hillary, but she's a known enemy who we can oppose. The real danger is that the people on our side will go bad, and our position collapses. Can you not see that that is what's really at stake here?

179 posted on 05/07/2004 6:57:44 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: madison10
Let our Military do it's job

Is torturing prisoners part of its job?

Abuse maybe, hazing maybe, shame maybe. What they did was not near to "torture."

OK, is abusing, hazing, and shaming prisoners part of the military's job?

180 posted on 05/07/2004 6:58:36 AM PDT by Know your rights
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