Posted on 10/10/2003 2:23:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Edited on 10/10/2003 2:27:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Dear Free Republic Friends,
My old friend and brother-in-arms BADJOE has promised to warm the cockles of our hearts by publishing an expose (the truth about JimRob and Free Republic according to Joe) on the 18th of this month, which represents the one year anniversary of the date he last posted to FreeRepublic.com and started up with LibertyPost.org.
So, as I believe that only the truth can set you free, and based upon the stratergery of pre-emptive strike, I have a confession to make (before BADJOE makes it public):
I have poisoned the well.
By my sly innuendos behind the scenes.
By my intellectual ineptitude.
By not trusting those that brung me to the dance to bring me home.
By my biting every hand that fed me.
By my arrogance that causes me to think I did it all by myself.
By my stubborness not because of principle, but because of my lack of ability to see what is transpiring.
Evidenced by:
One would think that with half again as many Freepers. with a recovering economy, It would take a great deal less time to raise the necessary funds.
By this time in the June 2002 effort with a goal of $70,000 we had raised $73,000. Not because of who did the fundraising, but because the sense of purpose, of family, of comaraderie, was still present.
BADJOE rang the warning bell, but none heard.
Conclusion:
It is a sad day.
For what was once a great hope, a means of bringing together those who are willing to pay dearly in blood, sweat, and money to save this country, we all love, has been reduced to an asterisk.
So sayeth BADJOE as he promises to publish all this and much more on the 18th. He's been feverishly working on this "project" for one full year. In addition to the "truth about JimRob" BADJOE intends to further betray our trust placed in him by revealing the names of our moderators. And who knows what else?
I can hardly wait.
Is it the 18th yet? Tick, tock.
The worst thing about LP is all the people there want it to be just like FR. There is little originality and often a lot more nastiness. For instance, LF never allows people to post threads which trash other posters in the headline. Tardshow does this all the time at LP. The best thing about the forum is the bozo filter.
LF is far more self-contained and people don't waste every hour of their day whining about FreeRepublic. It also has a less intrusive style of moderation, some clever posters and superior software to LP.
Yes. And, as I've mentioned, there were almost no Catholics or Jews in the earliest waves of English colonization. (Puritans in Massachussetts, Quakers in Pennsylvania, Protestants of various stripes in Maryland and Virginia, etc.) Later, especially 19th century, waves of immigration changed the mix.
I'm not going to mention how the whole line of argument about a lack of Catholic and other signers of the D of E strikes me, as I've mentioned it elsewhere. ;)
I gave Badjoe my credit card number when I was a monthly donor and I am not the least bit concerned about it. I'm sure you have nothing to worry about.
After my parents got divorced, for a while my dad dated a very nice Protestant divorcee, with two boys. Turns out that she believed it was ok to fornicate like a mink because she was "already saved." He found that baffling, and so did I. And I still do.
For Catholics, if you sin, you have to confess and be absolved, which is kind of like being saved again.
On the other hand, there are Catholics who take confession rather lightly, who also have no compunctions in screwing around and committing other sins because (they think) all they have to do is make a perfunctory confession and they will be saved.
I think that salvation is a constantly on-going process, that we must constantly examine our consciences and repent, and struggle not to sin, and fail, and keep trying. God doesn't expect us to be perfect, just forgiven.
The main principle which will make the ”agreement of the willing for science threads” work, or not, is our ability, willingness and discipline to recognize the posts and posters who must be ignored and then, faithfully, to ignore them.
The agreement seeks to define in secular terms the subjects and posting decorum which ought to be shunned by the willing and brought to the attention of Lurkers/Freepers to avoid flame wars. Certainly, some of the willing do not believe in Christ and therefore that is the appropriate formulation for such an agreement.
However, the majority of those who have signed from both sides of the debate – and all of those who want the agreement destroyed – are Christian. And since the subject of the most heated debates invariably tends toward issues of differences in Christian belief, perhaps we ought to all – believers or not – look to the Scriptures for clarity as to what or who ought to be ignored:
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. - Galatians 5:22-23
Therefore, I strongly recommend that whenever we can characterize a poster’s conduct as loving, joyful, peaceful, patient, gentle, good, faithful, meek and self-controlled --- then we ought to listen carefully and with an open mind to everything said.
Conversely, when we find the poster’s conduct is hateful, malcontent, disruptive, anxious, rough, mean, proud or impulsive --- then we ought to ignore the post and/or the poster.
1,261 posted on 09/02/2003 1:33 PM CDT by Alamo-Girl
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Your posting of Matthew 7:15-20
Are you saying that DittoJed2, myself, or others who fight the dispicable conduct of some of the signers are on the wrong side of this scripture? If so, how can you know our hearts, AG? And, when we firmly point out that a signer's behavior is of the worse kind, are we wrong.? Was our Lord wrong when he called the Pharisees of his day "A brood of vipers"?
Please tell me, AG, that I misunderstand your post.
1,262 posted on 09/02/2003 1:44 PM CDT by HalfFull ((I second Jed's motion...scrap it.))
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I, like Halffull would like further clarification of your post. What exactly are you saying AG?
1,263 posted on 09/02/2003 1:52 PM CDT by DittoJed2
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Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Very apt. Enough said.
Therefore, I strongly recommend that whenever we can characterize a poster’s conduct as loving, joyful, peaceful, patient, gentle, good, faithful, meek and self-controlled --- then we ought to listen carefully and with an open mind to everything said.
I'll wager that every creationist who posts in these threads, including those who are strongly opposed to the agreement, will take that as a perfect description of himself. But to the other side of the debate, some people are perceived differently. Most of us are in denial about our personal shortcomings.
Conversely, when we find the poster’s conduct is hateful, malcontent, disruptive, anxious, rough, mean, proud or impulsive --- then we ought to ignore the post and/or the poster.
I like everything you say. Yet ... I've been accused of arrogance, and although I'm probably guilty at times, there are other times when the "arrogance" is an illusion, or a mis-perception on the part of someone who has had his opinions discredited. The flip-side of a claim of arrogance is often hyper-sensitivity. Both attitudes should be avoided. Debates like ours are not for the timid.
Also, there are those who claim that all of science is arrogant. To a person who feels that way, anyone on my side of the debate will get accused of arrogance merely for factually supporting his views. Indeed, blanket claims of arrogance are often made about the entire group of evolution supporters. We can't all be arrogant. Yet that's the accusation made by some.
Also, as I've said before, sometimes one becomes impatient with a poster who repeatedly claims there is no evidence for evolution, and that it's all an athiestic, Marxist (or nazi) fraud. Is that a provocation which should always be ignored? I ignore them. But sometimes it's a newbie to these threads, and it's taken as an innocent (but ignorant) statement that should be answered with facts. Alas, all too often when a response is posted, out comes the "arrogance of science" stuff, so it seems there are times we can't win.
All that I can do is to present my views and try (with occasional failures) to behave myself. In this environment, that's not always easy. Only you seem to be unfailingly unflappable. I wish there were more of that to go around.
And then, in this very thread (post 1228), a declared troll has called me disruptive. So whatcha gonna do? No agreement can solve all the problems we encounter here. All we can do is try.
1,264 posted on 09/02/2003 2:31 PM CDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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Thank y’all so much for your replies!
However, I cannot answer your questions. The above post was the result of days of intercessory prayer for all of the posters here or mentioned here, the flame wars, the spiritual warfare at the root of it all. I felt compelled in the Spirit to put the above post together in that fashion, at this moment. You’ll need to ask the Spirit directly if it has a personal applicability to either of you. I do not know and would not ask.
IOW, the answer to my prayers – what I hear in the Spirit - goes to the inner man, every inner man – not a particular person or group – that is, when we Christians allow the Spirit to work within us unobstructed by our self-will, the fruits will come forth and the fruits themselves authentic our words.
It is interesting that you brought up our Lord’s calling the Pharisees a ‘brood of vipers’ – that is another set of Scriptures I was being lead to yesterday concerning the need for humility among all of us. As you know, Jesus reserved his strongest words for the most outwardly religious, who he addressed passionately after underscoring that we must be humble:
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Woe unto you, [ye] blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! [Ye] fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. [Ye] fools and blind: for whether [is] greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. [Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. [Thou] blind Pharisee, cleanse first that [which is] within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? - Matthew 23:12-33
Humility means laying self-will aside, which we must do to not obstruct God's will. I gather that is why I was lead to same Scriptures yesterday that have been brought to your mind and Spirit today.
1,265 posted on 09/02/2003 3:06 PM CDT by Alamo-Girl
Alamo-Girl, you may not have the Bible memorized. I don't think anyone but Jack Van Impe is even close. But you know enough to use it to hurt apparently anyone who disagrees with you. As for Howlin's comment about people not getting by with going after you because of your prestige around her, yeah, you did a good thing. You documented Clinton's legacy, and for that all of us are grateful. It shouldn't, however, make you an "untouchable" around here who can get by with whatever lie (such as accusing ALS of stalking you) she wants to and never be questioned about it. Contrary to your claims, you are not completely "free from all guilt". And more and more people are catching on to that every day.
Once in June, once in July, gone IIRC in August. I don't know much about his career before his appearance on the crevo threads in June, but an inactive AtomicLibSmasher account was banned on the same day as ALS.
I shouldn't pile on, but ... Yes!!!! Every statement is a shrill screech, fingernails scraping down a blackboard, painful to read. No subtlety, no depth, no nuance, no logic, no accuracy. Foaming at the mouth, 24-7. The Bozo Filter, when it gets here, will come in very handy in at least this one case.
"All the law is fulfilled in one word, and that is, love. See Rom. 13:10. All obedience begins in the affections, and nothing in religion is done right, that is not done there first. Love is the leading affection, which gives law, and gives ground, to the rest; and therefore that, as the main fort, is to be first secured and garrisoned for God. Man is a creature cut out for love; thus therefore is the law written in the heart, that it is a law of love. Love is a short and sweet word; and, if that be the fulfilling of the law, surely the yoke of the command is very easy. Love is the rest and satisfaction of the soul; if we walk in this good old way, we shall find rest."
The sum of the Law is indeed Love
You have just witnessed the hijacking of yet another thread by specialists in the art.
There is nothing you can ever say or do that will make me stop loving you.
I forgive you for hating me and for all of your attempts to cause injury to my good name.
I continue to pray for you every good thing I pray for my beloved husband and daughter.
I pray also that God will be forgiving and merciful to you in this life and the next.
I shall continue to abide by my promise to support and cooperate with the Admin Moderator’s request at post 1661 to hold my peace and thus will now resume not responding to your posts.
What's this supposed to mean? It sounds like a threat.
No. Apologies for giving the impression. I'm not a moderator and have no particular power or influence. It was only a warning about where the freeper addressed is headed, purely IMHO.
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