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To: Republic_of_Secession.; exmarine; AndrewC; OWK; DrC; MineralMan; Dimensio; malakhi; ...
A system that attempts to define morality and forcefully denies that role from religion is totalitarian.

Our founders wisely refrained from defining morality, leaving that to conscience. They did define law based on specific Judeo-Christian codes of morality, however.

The forced march of secularism championed by the ACLU must be resisted. My choice of words is not to brand them all atheists but to say the SCOTUS justices and subsequent judges have failed to understand the role of religion which the founders counted on.

Part of our law guarantees religious freedom - freedom of conscience naturally including the right not to believe. That and the establishment clause prevent a majoritarian Christian sect from oppressing others. It is ridiculous, as we now do, to legislate that those with state power must refrain from speaking and acting in concert with their belief that the state is subservient to God.

174 posted on 09/29/2003 10:42:55 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: NutCrackerBoy
My choice of words is not to brand them all atheists but to say the SCOTUS justices and subsequent judges have failed to understand the role of religion which the founders counted on.

Let me put it this way. Our government is by its actions forcing ATHEISM upon American citizens - a clear violation of the establishment clause and free exercise clause - both. The Aguillard decision in 1987 banned creationism from public schools, Lee vs. Wiseman banned prayers at graduations - the list is endless, and extends over society, education, law as well as morality (Lawrence decision making sodomy a const. right). The overall picture one gets from reviewing these court decisions is that the official U.S. govt religion being foisted upon the sleeping citizenry is ATHEISM. Secularism is just a euphemism for atheism in these decisions. It is clearly the secular-humanist (read atheist) worldview vs. the Christian worldview and the two do not mix and cannot be synthesized. Clearly, someone will make the laws - it will either be the godly or the ungodly. Therefore, it is the stewardship duty of all Christiains to FIGHT these people, or else our children will not be able to worship their God within 50 years!

193 posted on 09/29/2003 11:26:04 AM PDT by exmarine
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I note with amusement that tpaine is voting for Ahh-nold (see his tag line). This is just more confirmation that I have made the right decision in voting for McClintock - a true conservative, man of principle, who won't prostitute his values for a victory! All those Christians who are voting for Ahh-nold should be ashamed - they are attempting (unwittingly) to synthesize secular-humanism with Christianity - the two don't mix!! They are also employing pragmatism (hoping it will help Bush or keep the Dems out), but in doing so, they are attempting to manipulate the future (playing God) since pragmatism's glaring weakness is its inability to predict the long run! Pragmatists can vote for Ahh-nold, I will vote moral values, and I will sleep just fine at night.
203 posted on 09/29/2003 12:05:01 PM PDT by exmarine
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