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To: VadeRetro
That's sporting of you. I guess I have nothing new to add. I still thing it is invalid to put them in the series when so much evidence indicates that even if there IS a series, they don't belong in it.

Sometime I will have to post the series of monkey skulls I put together. I went from baboon through a series to some sort of monkey. It looked as plausible an evolutionary tree as the one you posted, but it was from extant animals and in no way represented a line of descent.

A lot of phony series can be made to look convincing.
432 posted on 09/27/2003 7:54:30 AM PDT by Ahban
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To: Ahban
That's sporting of you. I guess I have nothing new to add. I still thing it is invalid to put them in the series when so much evidence indicates that even if there IS a series, they don't belong in it.

The whole issue about the Lagar Velho child and other proposed hybrids is whether speciation occurred after Neanderthals diverged. That's only semi-relevant to the validity of a fossil series like the one posted. Fossil series never show an exact, known-for-sure line of descent. They show a progression of changes over time within a group of organisms. You're just looking for grounds to throw the thing out if you keep getting hung up on whether Species A is a great-great-great granddaddy or a great-great-great-great uncle.

But that's a given. All of the evidence, mountains and mountains of it, always gets thrown out by creationists every time.

Sometime I will have to post the series of monkey skulls I put together. I went from baboon through a series to some sort of monkey. It looked as plausible an evolutionary tree as the one you posted, but it was from extant animals and in no way represented a line of descent.

Irrelevant, precisely because that series is not a fossil progression but a demonstration of how some extant groups shade finely into each other. The latter phenomenon still hints at common descent, but it's a different line of evidence than seeing the changes appearing vertically in the fossil record in a logical order.

434 posted on 09/27/2003 8:08:43 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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