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To: HalfFull
Despite this all and other doubts, there remains far more evidence supporting the theory of evolution than there is supporting the existence of a deity.

Prove that God exists.

15 posted on 09/25/2003 3:03:10 PM PDT by ForOurFuture
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To: ForOurFuture
Prove that God exists.

How old are you --- mentally ?

17 posted on 09/25/2003 3:05:25 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: ForOurFuture
No problem proving God exists. Quite a bit of trouble proving that your particular sect is the only one with the true definition.
20 posted on 09/25/2003 3:06:49 PM PDT by js1138
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To: ForOurFuture
there remains far more evidence supporting the theory of evolution

Many would disagree, but that is not the topic of the article. How do you explain the common amount of C14 throughout the fossil layer "ages" ?

21 posted on 09/25/2003 3:07:14 PM PDT by HalfFull
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To: ForOurFuture
Prove he doesn't.
35 posted on 09/25/2003 3:16:45 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: ForOurFuture
The best answer I know of goes like this:

"God Is Dead" Author - Nietzsche

"Nietzsche Is Dead" Author - God

Moral: God MAY be dead but Nietzsche IS DEAD!!!

Is that simple enough for you to understand ??
54 posted on 09/25/2003 3:32:09 PM PDT by pcpa
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To: ForOurFuture
Ok - evolution, huh? One question I've always wondered about (and I don't remember where I got it from) is how did eyes evolve? You have several supporting structures involved: cornea, lens, retina, optic nerve, optic nerve connecting to the brain, brain able to figure out what the signals mean, etc.

Question: did all these structures evolve seperately or all at once? individually these structures provide absolutely NO selective advantage until they are all fully formed and positioned in the right order and begin to work. At that point, I grant you that there is now one heck of a selective advantage, but before that point - what caused all these supporting structures to independantly evolve for no selective reason at all? The lens evolved by itself and then sometime later the retina and so on? I just don't see it happening. The odds are not promising for these substructures independantly evolving and being positioned in the right order and so on. How did this happen?

And on another note: I was at a Christian healing crusade and suddenly I felt something strange in my right shoulder - (which had a torn supra-spinatus tendon which made moving my right arm very painful for about a year and a half - I could actually feel it tear just about every day) and my shoulder suddenly didn't hurt anymore. I tried moving my arm all around and couldn't even find the pain at all. No pain. Could move my arm in ways I couldn't for the longest time. Completely healed. 5 minutes earlier it hurt quite a bit and now my shoulder has been perfect for 2 years now. I suppose Darwin reached out from his grave and healed me.
69 posted on 09/25/2003 3:41:43 PM PDT by OldTypeAmerican
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To: ForOurFuture
Despite this all and other doubts, there remains far more evidence supporting the theory of evolution than there is supporting the existence of a deity. Prove that God exists.

Can you present some of this evidence or do you expect us to just take your word on it?

163 posted on 09/25/2003 4:51:38 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: ForOurFuture
Absence of evidence
is not
evidence of absence


Look around you. The world is DIRTY with his fingerprints. From physics, to chemistry, to biology...this is a finely-tuned universe designed to support fragile life.

We are standing in a room full of grandfather clocks, alarm clocks, cuckoo clocks, hourglasses, timepieces of all sorts...does it not imply the existence of a clockmaker?

Take it another way: You think O.J. killed 'em? Why? Where's the evidence? It's all circumstantial.

You think there was once water on Mars just because you see dry river beds? Merely circumstantial! Not proof!

There comes a time, in any criminal court, when circumstantial evidence becomes sufficient to convict OJ, or to prove that there was water on Mars.

The universe is DIRTY with God's fingerprints. He leaves the decision to us...if he compelled our wills, we'd be robots, and he clearly doesn't want that. He wants only the willing.

Sauron
175 posted on 09/25/2003 4:58:47 PM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: ForOurFuture
"Prove that God exists."

Prove He doesn't.

While you go about doing that you'llpleasantly discover He does. McDowell started out with that premise and quickly became a believer. I'll look up the book he wrote stating how he started out being an atheist and after reviewing the evidence knew beyond a doubt that God exists, created all we see and don't see and controls what's going on.

I'll run over to amazon and post the url for you. Yeah, I know, you won't read it but it's worth a try.

202 posted on 09/25/2003 5:37:18 PM PDT by nmh
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To: ForOurFuture
"Prove that God exists."

Prove He doesn't.

Here's the book I have. He has a newer one out but this one should suffice.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0785243038/qid=1064536751/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-0426552-1388667

Evidence That Demands a Verdict: Historical Evidences for the Christian Faith (Volume 1 - Super Saver Edition) by Josh McDowell

Read the reviews as well.

207 posted on 09/25/2003 5:44:33 PM PDT by nmh
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To: ForOurFuture; All
Prove that God exists.

Define god.

At any rate, I have often thought of the creator as a programmer, and we are his simulation. He does not have to obey our laws of science, cause he wrote them into the program. He could throw dinosaurs in if he wanted, or he could throw in the bones and say they existed - to us there would be evidence, but it was only manufactured :)

I can't prove anything, but I can examine things with an open mind. I don't care if some creator made the universe and earth a gazillion years ago, that doesn't do jack to help folks today. Perhaps we are uncovering the coding he used at the big bang, or when he typed 'run creation.exe', who knows. Looking for a 'master plan' is a good idea, the blueprint behind the things may well suggest an architect or to some it may suggest something else.

God has rules he obeys (at least, from my perspective), and that is what defines him as God. His own rules for himself limit him, yet by our standards he is unlimited - the problem many have, imho, is that God is all powerful when to me the scriptures show otherwise (which is not a bad thing, but it is an important one). Yes, I got off track and started rambling :)

Basically I like to keep an open mind either way, I can see the ideas behind the creator (I do believe in God myself and that the bible is genuine) as well as those relating to the big bang (or whatever flavor of the month science is using today). Science evolves in it's understanding of things over time, and I cannot see why science would not want to look as much at a creation theory as an evolution one (and by creation I mean there being a planned and methodical building of something by a being which has freewill).

I see the hand of God in science, but I still respect science and won't ridicule it because I think the ending path is wrong.

I think of it like Ghosts. People see em, science spends time saying the whole idea is stupid. My feeling is that we should look into but with a more keen sense of grasping what it could be instead of what it is not. Perhaps it has nothing to do with dead people, it could be something else altogether. But to simply dismiss something one does not understand or believe in is not science to me at all, it is arrogance.

Scientists can be as pig headed as the christians they ridicule. The things we can do today would not have made sense to many in ancient times, video, computers, etc - had someone said they saw a moving image that was not alive it would have been called a ghost or insanity, turns out that ghost could have been a tv screen projecting an image. Limiting our field of vision based of our own, obviously limited, knowledge of how everything works is shortsighting the future.

Prove to me god exists? Prove to me you do and your not some AI program. I'll get proof when I die, in the meantime I will go solely on faith.

280 posted on 09/25/2003 6:44:08 PM PDT by chance33_98 (This tagline made from recycled ideas, no animals were harmed during the typing of it)
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To: ForOurFuture
I know some people who believe that God created the world, and than the evolutionary process began following it or that God allowed the evolutionary process to occur in order for His commands to be met.
330 posted on 09/25/2003 9:13:10 PM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: ForOurFuture
Prove that God exists.

Prove that He doesn't.
441 posted on 10/04/2003 10:07:28 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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