CARBON DATING UNDERCUTS EVOLUTION'S LONG AGES

ICR ^ | October, 2003 | John Baumgardner

[bondserv]

That guy simply heckles science. It's all anyone needs to know about creationism.

You need more content for your "real science" than a count of every "maybe," reference to error of measurement, phenomenon explained by competing theories, or caveat applied to a statement in mainstream science.

I would say you are his mirror image on the evolutionary side. I am sure your posts here would fluster him as well.

[MontanaBeth]

If you like we'll pretend it never was said at all.

[Last Visible Dog]

Despite this all and other doubts, there remains far more evidence supporting the theory of evolution than there is supporting the existence of a deity. Prove that God exists.

Can you present some of this evidence or do you expect us to just take your word on it?

[HalfFull]

You need more content for your "real science" than a count of every "maybe

Since evolution "science" is full of "could-of's", "probably's" and "perhaps", it probably would have been better for you to find another definition for your brand of science, Vade.

[AndrewC]

Yep, looks like they've lost the argument already, insults to the fore. I wonder how long these guys will take to get this thread pulled? In any case, no one seems to have a credible explanation for the excess carbon-14. It is a puzzler. Cosmic rays can't do it. They have already been eliminated because of the atmosphere. Neutrinos?

[bondserv]

Link for post #143 of this thread. Sorry.

[goodseedhomeschool (returned)]

Grand Canyon. That is one of our favs. Have you ever heard of Dr. Steven Austin. He has some great takes on that. The canyon was formed during the flood. That little Colorado river could not have formed that canyon. Many reasons. When Mount Saint Helens blew in May 1980, a "little" grand canyon was formed in the area and it looked just like a smalll version of the big one. I thought that was very interesting.
I wonder how people felt when darwin and Lyell came out with their fake books?

[Prodigal Son]

Anybody?

[MontanaBeth]

I say that's something to look into, I think I'll go do it right now. Bye

[Last Visible Dog]

Can you prove that God exists?

Can you prove God does not exist?

Guess we got us a stalemate.

[narby]

One creationist I know does not copywrite any of his materials. You can copy his videos or anything he has and get you money back. He travels 3/4 of the year in his ministry for no pay. This you call greed? I call it dedication.

How much does he make when he passes the hat around?

Without the books, he wouldn't get invited to speak. If he makes his living from the subject of creationism, then the fact that he braggs that he doesn't copyright his books is meaningless.

In fact, it's a pretty good business plan. Get everyone who believes that stuff to make copies and distribute them FOR him. Then he makes a living from the speaking invitations.

Free advertising.

[goodseedhomeschool (returned)]

How much ya figure he spends driving/flying to the destinations at his own expense??? Humm???
http://www.drdino.com

[HalfFull]

Yep, looks like they've lost the argument already, insults to the fore. I wonder how long these guys will take to get this thread pulled? In any case, no one seems to have a credible explanation for the excess carbon-14. It is a puzzler.

I wonder what the "half-life" of one of these threads is? ;)

[bondserv]

Yep, looks like they've lost the argument already, insults to the fore. I wonder how long these guys will take to get this thread pulled? In any case, no one seems to have a credible explanation for the excess carbon-14. It is a puzzler. Cosmic rays can't do it. They have already been eliminated because of the atmosphere. Neutrinos?

The scientific arena has definitely become a hotbed for modern debate (approaching watershed proportions). These studies are coming out like gangbusters, and it seems the secular papers are beginning to agree more often with the other side.

[sauron]

Absence of evidence
is not
evidence of absence


Look around you. The world is DIRTY with his fingerprints. From physics, to chemistry, to biology...this is a finely-tuned universe designed to support fragile life.

We are standing in a room full of grandfather clocks, alarm clocks, cuckoo clocks, hourglasses, timepieces of all sorts...does it not imply the existence of a clockmaker?

Take it another way: You think O.J. killed 'em? Why? Where's the evidence? It's all circumstantial.

You think there was once water on Mars just because you see dry river beds? Merely circumstantial! Not proof!

There comes a time, in any criminal court, when circumstantial evidence becomes sufficient to convict OJ, or to prove that there was water on Mars.

The universe is DIRTY with God's fingerprints. He leaves the decision to us...if he compelled our wills, we'd be robots, and he clearly doesn't want that. He wants only the willing.

Sauron

[narby]

I'm not talking about the hole in the ground. I'm talking about the sedementary rocks you walk through when you hike it.

It's absolutely astounding to see the differences between the levels, the thousands and thousands of layers. And the mangling of the layers of rock in the lower sections.

And if "the flood" carved the canyon, then what deposited the layers it carved the canyon from?

We could go on and on like this forever. Bottom line, there is no contradiction, and it really makes things much easier for your son to live with his faith if he doesn't have to make a choice between the evidence he can see, feel and smell, vs. his faith.

[Prodigal Son]

Last call or I declare myself the first winner in Free Republic history of the Creation vs Evolution debate (no opposition- win by default)- and that in less than 200 posts.

LOL, and that without even taking a side.

[Sentis]

I guess with the decrease in Star Trek TV shows the creationists are hiring them to write their technobabble now.

[f.Christian]

The creationist argument has done more damage to faith than any other theology. It is wrecking the church !

America the legend ... lost continent now !

You are in name only a ...

Catholic -- Christian ---

if you don't believe an Almighty God is the creator of heaven and earth and anything but the work of Jesus Christ can save you !

Evolution ... material and spiritual --- political too --- is madness !

The Bible says in God there is no shading or spin ... right or wrong ... vs ... rationalizations of everyman's perception and ego !

Science and likewise God --- never changes !

The constitution only ... ' evolves ' ... with a 2 / 3 rds majority--- it was written to prevent it !

[Last Visible Dog]

I'm not going to live my life pretending to believe in something I don't because of the fear that if I don't I could spend eternity in a hell I don't believe exists.

You do this by pretending your belief in the non-existence of God is fact?

You believe there is no God.

Many believe there is a God.

Bottom line: both philosophies are based on faith.