CARBON DATING UNDERCUTS EVOLUTION'S LONG AGES

ICR ^ | October, 2003 | John Baumgardner

[MontanaBeth]

"AMS" method improved the sensitivity of the raw measurement of 14C/12C ratio from approximately 1% of the radom value to about 0.0001%, extending the rang of sensitivity from about 40,000 years to 90,000"

This is in the article this new method extends the range to up to 90,000 years.

[HalfFull]

Most scientists are aware that carbon is a dirt-common and highly reactive element. It gets around.

Maybe so, but we are not talking about a little C14 contamination

From article: Although they identified and corrected a few relatively minor sources of 14C contamination, there still remained a significant level of 14C—typically about 100 times the ultimate sensitivity of the instrument—in samples that should have been utterly "14C-dead," including many from the deeper levels of the fossil-bearing part of the geological record.2

[humblegunner]

Your wagon - chariot is sparking ... you lost the reins on reality (( id - ego )) !

Well, that certainly clears things right up.

[narby]

Kids are losing their faith all the time to what I consider to be a lie (evolution), don't you see why we feel it needs to be defended?

Don't you get it? If you stopped trying to read a handful of chapters, maybe only a few thousand words, and insist that it contradicts decades of research and undoubtedly hundreds of books full of facts, then YOUR KIDS WOULDN'T BE LOSING THEIR FAITH!

People who study evolution aren't taking faith from kids. Creationists are driving them away, because they just don't have the facts on their side.

Once you see that there is no conflict between Genesis and evolution, then the problem dissapears!

[Prodigal Son]

I would think all the animals were young.

Hmmm. We don't encounter a whole lot of success turning young animals loose into the wild. They need a certain amount of tutoring to be succesful.

Also, have you ever watched that old show that used to come on in the States with Marlin Perkins? He used to send Jim out with the natives to catch this or that species. It didn't look easy. Sometimes, it would take Jim, plus four or five natives to wrestle one snake into submission. How long do you figure it would take Noah with his three sons to round up all those animals.

And complicating this problem- from your own explanation- is the fact that Noah would not only be rounding up animals per se, but taking lion cubs away from their families, bear cubs away from their mums, wolf puppies away from their packs etc. You see what I mean? You go out and try to take a Grizzly cub away from its mother and see what happens. Noah didn't even have a tranquilizer gun (as far as I can tell).

Him and his boys were obviously some hard core animal herders. Able to trek thousands of miles to get the animals they needed and bring them back. I'd reckon if we set whole nations of people doing it today with tranquilizers, planes and what not- this whole operation would take years and years and years. Something just doesn't add up there somehow. Maybe it's just me...

[goodseedhomeschool (returned)]

God made land animals and man on the same day, day 6 of creation

[pointsal]

boy it sure is nice to see an open minded gent like you expressing you purest thoughts...........phew

[bondserv]

Just a thought.

Put billions of tons of water on top of the meringue pie of the earth's crust and imagine the bulging and sinking that this would cause to the land.

Watch an ocean in less than one year’s time erode 50 yards of beach front, then replace it before next summer.

Erosion and sedimentary processes are mainly results of water. The global flood had lots of water! There is no other explaination for the sedimentary layers we observe in the geologic record.

Don't say this at your local University, you might get a failing grade because you learned (believed) nothing the teacher has taught.

[goodseedhomeschool (returned)]

I have no need to compromise with man's theology. Man is always having to self correct, God never has to.

[f.Christian]

Evolution according to you just makes everyone's lies - denials equal ... darwin in wonderland --- sock puppet science !

[narby]

There is no other explaination for the sedimentary layers we observe in the geologic record.

Oh, really?

[goodseedhomeschool (returned)]

Actually, they did not need to herd the animals. God called them in and GOD closed the door of the ark. I suppose God had His hand in it the whole way. I have faith in Him.

[VadeRetro]

What is going on behind the unexpanded "usually" in "usually offered no explanation?" My money is that no samples can reasonably be expected to be utterly ¹⁴C dead. Again, it's nothing that helps ICR. Things that do not help ICR do not make it into their articles and that's just one example.

ICR is not famous for their pristine scientific scholarship. Next week the age of the earth will be the same plus one week, the interpretations of ¹⁴C dating will be the same, ICR will still be a crackpot website, and the ultimate triumph of literal Genesis creationism will be not one bit closer than it was last week.

[MontanaBeth]

"The contamination Vade is talking about is rain."


I guess that means carbon dating is useless then, or was there no rain contamination before now?

[narby]

I have no need to compromise with man's theology. Man is always having to self correct, God never has to.

So correct yourself. Evolution is not a theology, except to the charlitians trying sell you books. If you want to stop young people from losing their faith when they learn of the facts of evolution, then stop telling them they must choose between evolution and God.

God is plenty strong enough to have created evolution. He just didn't tell you about all those petty details in the few chapters of Genesis that cover that subject.

[VadeRetro]

Back to about 50K, the decay curve sticks up out of the noise floor. I'm surprised the two geologists you claim to have worked for didn't mention how carbon dating works and how little relation it bears to the age of the earth.

[RippinGood]

This may help:

http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~lindsay/creation/carbon.html

[narby]

I guess that means carbon dating is useless then, or was there no rain contamination before now?

Rain caused carbon to be deposited in rock layers. It is not so much that you can't use carbon dating for relativly recent samples, but it does create a base noise floor (a minimum 14C amount) in all samples.

One of the previous posts from HalfFull quoted the article saying ther should be a zero amount of 14C in very old samples. But this is false.

[VadeRetro]

Old samples contain much less C14, so the measured date of older samples is strongly affected by even small amounts of contamination.

Nice link! The above quote is another way of saying, "Noise floor from contamination."

[bondserv]

Oh, really?

Don't say this at your local University, you might get a failing grade because you learned (believed) nothing the teacher has taught.

A Modern Day Geological Understanding.