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To: Maelstrom
There you go...
...YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

Why do you want conservatives to be any different than yourself?

If you were at all intellectually honest, you would at the very least admit that both sides are the problem. United we stand, divided we fall. You can't only blame one side for it.

But typically I don't fit into that catagory. It takes a special kind of bufoonery to turn me off. I just found a particular revulsion to Simon's personality, not his politics.

But it goes far beyond *me*. This was a decision I made, or really, a non-decision, based on the man himself. This happened all over the state on both sides. Democrats were equally turned off by Davis. The low election turnout was a PHENOMENON.

I see that quite different from the conservative single-issue voters who seemingly CONSPIRE as a group against any Republican who doesn't fit all of their criteria.


They'll stay home, and you'll get Bustamante, or a man with an (R) behind his name that *might* be marginally different.

I don't think conservative turnout one way or the other will impact the final outcome in this particular election.


How again can you consider yourself a conservative?

Because of my economic and foreign policy/national defense positions. And I am conservative enough to be pro-Israel but not so conservative as to be anti-Israel, if you know what I mean...


It's odd really...if I may draw an analogy to mathematics with negative numbers on the Liberal end and positive numbers on the Conservative end. RINOs...like yourself...want to subtract from a very large negative number, proclaiming that eventually you'll get a positive number because your numbers might not be as negative as those from the Democrats.

Conservatives want numbers to be added to shift that number to the other side of "0".

That is an interesting analogy, but not an applicable one.
I see it as the intolerant views, religious sectarianism, and stiff demeanor of the "social conservatives" as a negative in the Republican column, and I want to nullify it.

739 posted on 08/14/2003 4:41:43 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
"It takes a special kind of bufoonery to turn me off. "

An insight. Like the portrait of an idiot on your home page.
740 posted on 08/14/2003 5:14:32 PM PDT by GatekeeperBookman ("impossible and radically idealist notions" * please inquire for clarification.)
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
If you were at all intellectually honest, you would at the very least admit that both sides are the problem. United we stand, divided we fall. You can't only blame one side for it.

The conditions necessary to blame one side are sufficient. RINOs are the ones dividing the party. As stated a multitude of times and proven with historical example it is the RINOs who refuse to unite with the conservatives after enjoying the support of conservatives for decades.
Yes...ANYONE who is intellectually honest *can* blame one side for it.

But typically I don't fit into that catagory. It takes a special kind of bufoonery to turn me off. I just found a particular revulsion to Simon's personality, not his politics.

But you do fit into that category. You won't unite with conservatives. You have admitted it. Thus, you are the problem.

The low election turnout was a PHENOMENON.

The low election turnout was predictable. Nobody wanted to vote for Gray-out Davis and the RINOs within the party did their level best to prevent turnout by Republicans. What the hell do you expect? Again...underlining the fact that the RINOs are the problem, NOT the conservatives.

I see that quite different from the conservative single-issue voters who seemingly CONSPIRE as a group against any Republican who doesn't fit all of their criteria.

We recommend you open your eyes. It is, in actuality, the RINOs within the Californian GOP Leadership whom have DEMONSTRABLY conspired as a group against any Republican who fits the term "conservative".

I don't think conservative turnout one way or the other will impact the final outcome in this particular election.

Well then, leave us the hell alone. We know for a fact you're wrong and you refuse to see it or admit it and in fact wish conservative to bend over for yet another screwing. Forget it.

Israel has done good things and bad things. Recognize which is which and why...that is the conservative way. Blanket support or denial is for Leftists...if you know what I mean.
747 posted on 08/15/2003 8:21:02 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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