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To: Maelstrom
No, I'm not saying moderate *voters* stabbed conservatives in the back...I'm saying that RINO interference at the highest levels of the GOP leadership stabbed conservatives in the back. Had they acted appropriately, Simon would today be your CA governor. I cannot forgive them for this...nor can I forget that when it came time for them to scratch OUR back, they stabbed it instead.

I can appreciate what you are saying. I don't know much at all about the internal inter-personal politics within the party heirarchy, but I do understand a lot of things go on behind the scenes to make things happen. I personally think that the GOP should be actively supporting which ever candidates are chosen in the primary. When it comes time for the rank and file to go to the polls, though, it is a different story.

You cannot argue the fact that ultimately electing someone comes down to voter turnout. Simon wasn't helped by the fact that he just didn't have enough money to mount an effective campaign, but it still came down to people like me not going out to vote for him.

As the public face of the Republican party within the state, Simon was a very bad choice for Governor. He stumbled and flip-flopped, and came across stiff, spineless and just plain doofy.
That is why he ultimately lost.

I am very concerned about the united front against Schwarzenegger that is starting to solidify from the conservative base.
Let's get this straight - it can only have two possible effects: either none at all, or it can ensure a Democrat victory.

If Cruz "Mexifornia" Bustamante capitalizes on this split, then we are all in REAL trouble. Not the sort of abstract trouble that conservatives are concerned with from Arnold.

If this conservative opposition stays a mere annoyance but doesn't affect Arnold's victory, then conservatives may find they have created a wedge between themselves and the new Governor. They are far less likely to get what they want from him when he wins if they keep it up!

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Democrats won't even need to spend much money campaigning against Arnold since the conservatives are aligned with Arianna Huffington in doing it for them. We don't want to give the Democrats any more resources in this election. It is far better to make them expend their energy and money attacking Arnold instead of promoting Davis and Bustamante.

724 posted on 08/14/2003 3:05:48 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
I am very concerned about the united front against Schwarzenegger that is starting to solidify from the conservative base.
Let's get this straight - it can only have two possible effects: either none at all, or it can ensure a Democrat victory.

The mass hysteria may sour when he must answer questions. Kinda like when Perot did the dance-folks just ran away.
726 posted on 08/14/2003 3:27:18 PM PDT by GatekeeperBookman ("impossible and radically idealist notions" * please inquire for clarification.)
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
You cannot argue the fact that ultimately electing someone comes down to voter turnout. Simon wasn't helped by the fact that he just didn't have enough money to mount an effective campaign, but it still came down to people like me not going out to vote for him.

That does make you, specifically, part of the problem: Unwilling to support conservatives after they've supported RINOs for so very long. However the money issue falls right back on the RINOs within the party.

Simon ultimately lost because he was back-stabbed upstairs. That you did it downstairs doesn't help your case at all. Obviously, you are more of a danger to the Republican Party than Bustamonte...because he...after all...isn't a Republican.

As I said before, y'all deserve all the fruits of your Liberal labors. You sure as hell aren't willing to try for a conservative and will betray one within your party who makes it against your wishes...so why the hell should conservatives do ANYTHING For you guys?

You had your chance and blew it. Now you have a second chance...and you're blowing it as well.

You're overly concerned with the letter after a guy's name. Let me tell you...Stalin is no less a tyrant for having (D) or (R) after his name. So enjoy your Bustamonte...or Swartzenegger...if you can tell the difference when he's in office. Don't pretend to try to be a conservative or even try to persuade a conservative to "compromise".

You aren't a conservative...or you would have voted for Simon. You aren't interested in "compromise" since you aren't willing to bend yourself when you ask others bend for you. Conservatives have been screwed over enough by RINO's upstairs and downstairs...now...they'll vote with their feet.

Don't worry, they'll be back when The Big One hits, and return the remnants of California into a great state once again.
728 posted on 08/14/2003 3:46:40 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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