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To: Maelstrom
You are wrong about the your Contract with America analogy.

America is fiscally conservative. The Contract with America united the Republicans behind an issue that resonated with the voters. It distacted attention away from the divisive issues that have traditionally caused the Republicans image problems.

It is note-worthy to point out that it didn't help Republicans one bit in California.

I never said that I think California is *heading* in the direction of social liberalism. Tolerance is not the same thing as "social liberalism".

Intolerance is the #1 perception that keeps Californians from voting Republican. Remember, "tolerance" does not mean liking or actively supporting something. It merely means putting up with it. Just as you "tolerate" a noisy child.

A wise person accepts that which he cannot change.

"It's noteable that those liberal causes are the ones that resonate with you most" is a completely baseless assumption. I have merely argued against the reasoning most commonly advanced to oppose Arnold. I simply do not believe they are winning issues in this state.

You and many others here seem to be operating under a delusion that this race is McClintock vs. Schwarzenegger. It is not. McClintock is not even on the radar screen, and has no chance of appearing so long as Simon is in the running.

The race is primarily Davis vs. the Recall, and then Schwarzenegger vs. Bustamante.

It is people like YOU who are sabotaging the Republican party by refusing to vote for the most conservative candidate that can WIN.
A vote for anyone other than Arnold is a vote for Bustamante.

You seem to harbor this false idea that homosexuality and other issues of social tolerance are the biggest threats California is facing. They are not.

Illegal immigration is by far the biggest threat to California, and I will choose Arnold "Prop 187" Schwarzenegger over the alternative, Cruz "Mexifornia" Bustamante anyday.

If it looks like you social conservatives manage to trash Arnold enough to threaten his lead over Bustamante, I will instead choose to actively oppose the recall.
709 posted on 08/14/2003 11:27:01 AM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
It is note-worthy to point out that it didn't help Republicans one bit in California.

It is noteworthy to point out that Californian RINOs opposed it.

Intolerance is the #1 perception that keeps Californians from voting Republican.

Of course, but unless you're going to find a way to deal with the perception that Republicans are Aliens, you're stuck with it. Arnold doesn't change thing.
What!? you say? Republicans are Aliens? That's crazy!
However, it's the only logical conclusion given popular perceptions regarding Republicans:

Republicans want to starve the children (Therefore we must not have any children.)
Republicans want to throw the elderly into the street (Therefore we must not have any parents or grandparents.)
Republicans want to poison the air, the land, and the water (Therefore we must not be carbon-based lifeforms.)

Or maybe somebody is simply lying.

I have merely argued against the reasoning most commonly advanced to oppose Arnold.

That's just it...you aren't arguing against the reasoning most commonly advanced to oppose Arnold. Only one guy advanced that as a reason, maybe two. The vast majority of opposition to Arnold is the simple fact that HE ISN'T A CONSERVATIVE. He's far closer to being a Liberal.

You and many others here seem to be operating under a delusion...

There is no delusion in the fact that Arnold is not a conservative. That Simon should pull out of the race we agree upon. That Arnold should throw his support behind McClintock is where we differ. We seem to differ because you have the false belief that conservatives have run the California GOP into the ground. Conservatives aren't the problem here...RINOs are the problem...such as the ones the GOP has supported for the past several decades. When the time comes for the RINOs to support a conservative, they don't. That a conservative can't get elected isn't even the issue. Simon...despite being STABBED IN THE BACK by California GOP RINOs...almost *won* the governorship.

So...with that solitary single attempt...somehow you find a logical basis in the argument that conservatives are the problem. I hate to tell you this...but conservatives are the *only* solution.

The problem isn't *me* by refusing to vote for liberal Republicans. The problem is RINOs refusing to bring conservatives to the ballot, or...if they get on the ballot...ACTIVELY SABOTAGING THEIR CAMPAIGNS.

You guys have always been the problem. Having successfully destroyed NY and much of the NE, now work over CA.

And I'll be quite explicit about California's problem: They don't have enough conservatives in office.

Liberalism kills, starves, and drives economies into ruin. Liberalism knows no color, gender, nor even political party. This fundamental facet is also demonstrated amply throughout history.

As for the social context, it's not my horse...it's yours. My point has always been that Arnold isn't an economic conservative nor a social conservative. He's a Liberal. He *is* on par with Bloomberg.
711 posted on 08/14/2003 12:11:18 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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