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To: Maelstrom
Again you are wrong.
RINOs opposed the recall. The recall IS played out, the issue is ON the ballot. This is the first successful recall in California's history. There has been a recall effort for every California governor going back for a number of years.

Oh, it's done playing out is it?

Did we kick Davis out or did he manage to squeek by?
If Davis was booted, who did we pick to replace him?
Did Republican voter registrations go up after the recall election, or did they drop off?
Did this help or hurt Bush in the 2004 election?
Did we manage to finally defeat Barbara Boxer?

I must have seriously overslept because I seem to have missed the out come of all these things.


By rights, this would indicate that it *IS* time for RINOs to support conservatives. We scratched your back, it's time to scratch ours.

To quote the Smiths, "You Just Haven't Earned It Yet, Baby".

Help us out more by NOT SHOOTING THE PARTY IN THE HEAD, and support Arnold. Hopefully, he isn't going to need your support, but if he does, then you have just guaranteed a Liberal-Democrat-Bustamante victory.

With Arnold as Governor we will greatly increase the Republican image and numbers, and that in turn will help elect more conservative candidates in the future.
But then again, it seems like you don't want that because it may threaten the far-right's hold of the party at gun-point.

641 posted on 08/13/2003 12:52:19 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand; Carry_Okie
But then again, it seems like you don't want that because it may threaten the far-right's hold of the party at gun-point.

Well, this is a shift in tone. You started out this thread as a doe-eyed, if reluctant, Arnold supporter, after having previously favored McClintock.

Now you're taking the position that the far-right holds the GOP at gunpoint?

Are we to understand that you were, until yesterday, a willing accomplice to that, or were you just duped by those gunslinger right-wingers?


643 posted on 08/13/2003 1:11:25 PM PDT by Sabertooth (Where do Arnold and McClintock stand on California Drivers' Licenses for Illegal Aliens?)
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
You do have a problem.

The Recall is now a fact. For the first time in Californian history a Recall Effort has brought about a general election that could remove a governor from office.

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Your buddies opposed it and are now trying to hi-jack the effort.





Exactly why, if elected, will Arnold increase the republican image and numbers?

Simply because he's a Republican and because he's in office?

That is simply naiive and ignores a tremendous amount of history suggesting otherwise. Not opinions...not theories...history.

In California...the "far right" doesn't have even a tenuous grip on the Republican party.

We told you that already too...so...at this point I'm left to conclude your recalcitrance is willful ignorance or the defiant "rebellion" of an adolescent.

It's funny to see you Liberals try to persuade Republicans that they're working too hard to be Conservative in California when...in actual fact...it hasn't been attempted yet. Oh...you might consider Simon an attempt, but what Simon proved is that RINOs are Liberal first, Republican second. They proved it when they sabotaged his campaign against DAVIS.

644 posted on 08/13/2003 1:12:01 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
How about your RINOs stop stabbing Conservative Republicans in the back for a change?

It's not as though Conservative Republicans are at fault for long decades of Liberalism in California.

It's been the consistent compromises through the years by RINOs that have allowed California to sink as low as it has...maybe it's time for something different.

Maybe it's time RINOs scratched the backs of the conservatives who put them in power. That's what you said, "You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours."

GO AHEAD. The RINOs have *already* received theirs.
646 posted on 08/13/2003 1:15:38 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
Did Republican voter registrations go up after the recall election, or did they drop off?

Up.
"I think the biggest surge of inquiries was after (Schwarzenegger's) announcement," said Cathy McClue, Fresno County's assistant registrar of voters. "A lot of the callers think they have to be registered Republican to vote Republican."

more here


655 posted on 08/13/2003 1:48:11 PM PDT by george wythe
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