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To: jwalsh07
Is this the moderate view? :-}

No. It is simply the view of the minority whose personal religious views are not served by the pious use of "God" in the Pledge. It is the view of the very people who understand the destructive effects of exclusion from the social fabric.

Would you also strike chaplains from the armed services, the words "endowed by our creator" in the DOI and the phrase "in the Year of Our Lord" in the Constitution of the United States?

No, no, and no.

Military chaplains provide support and guidance for our troops in the military that is both of a religious and secular nature. I'm not for preventing anyone from expressing their own religion or seeking religious guidance.
I just don't believe the Government should be endorsing a god. The Government is prohibited from endorsing a political candidate. Can't you understand the difference?

The Declaration of Independence actually takes a bit of care to avoid being overtly Christian. It refers to "nature's god" and "their creator" as opposed to "The Creator".
Further more, the Declaration was written before the Constitution established the First Amendment.
And finally, I'm of no mind to go rewriting Historical documents. That is why I think it was reprehensible that the Congress chose to do so in the 1950s. Striking down unconstitutional laws written out of expedience by self-important Congressmen is another story though...

386 posted on 08/12/2003 7:41:56 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
The Pledge of Allegiance is neither a law nor coerced. You don't want to say the words "under God", don't. In fact, feel free not to recite it at all. But endorsing courts ordering Americans not to use those words if they wish is bad business dude. As bad as it gets.
388 posted on 08/12/2003 7:45:36 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
ANd one other thought berofre I take my leave. The Constituion is an amendable document, surely the Pledge must be as well, no?
390 posted on 08/12/2003 7:47:20 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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