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To: Right Wing Professor
I am not convinced civilization is compatible with all strains of Christianity.

And yet, if you are indeed a scientist, then you must also rely to some degree of emperical evidence. Historically speaking, that would suggest (at least form a cultural anthropological standpoint) that Christianity had a significant influence and supremacy of Western Civilization. My background (as far as science) goes is Archaeology, but I am sure there are theologians out there who could help make this point with a significant degree of studied and informed civility... the point being that philosophical notions that contributed to defining the primacy of individual existences as ultimately manifested in the Constitution (The pinnacle document in human civilization) were not possible in absense of Christian tradition. So I consider your conclusion in that reagrd to be flawed. Irregardless, the legitimacy of your point does not change the fact that your stance does not negate my significance in regards to my rights as identified by the Constitution and recognized by this government.

94 posted on 07/25/2003 1:54:38 PM PDT by Mr.Atos
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yes, yes... ask us about goodseed. while she is/was indeed a sweet lady, she is hung up on the idea that dinosaurs live amongst us in 2003. (among other absurdities). When confronted with certain questions and refutations, she gathered up her Hovind "arguments" and ran home.
97 posted on 07/25/2003 2:02:07 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: Mr.Atos
Historically speaking, that would suggest (at least form a cultural anthropological standpoint) that Christianity had a significant influence and supremacy of Western Civilization.

Sure. Whether it was overall a positive or negative influence is not an easy question. You weigh Thomas Aquinas and Blaise Pascal on on side, the Thirty Years War on the other....

philosophical notions that contributed to defining the primacy of individual existences as ultimately manifested in the Constitution (The pinnacle document in human civilization) were not possible in absense of Christian tradition.

Hmmm. That's a 'what if'. What if Greco-Roman civilization had been uninfluenced by Christianity? Hard to say. To what extent was the philosophy of the enlightenment an outgrowth of Christian tradition, and to what extent an antithesis? Were the Founding Fathers acting in that tradition, or were they shedding it in the essence and holding on only to the superficialities? And what if Christian tradition had never been there at all? I consider this point to be unproven.

104 posted on 07/25/2003 2:41:02 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Mr.Atos
Christianity had a significant influence [on the] supremacy of Western Civilization

That case hasn't been made. Certainly Europe was Christian but it was Christian for a thousand stagnant years before the Renaissance and Enlightenment periods and it was in that few centuries that Western Civilization rose above the others. I find it a more reasonable assumption that it was a result of changing attitudes in the period rather than the Christian culture.

128 posted on 07/25/2003 11:58:27 PM PDT by edsheppa
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