To: harpseal
Do you maintain political risk insurance and/or currency convertability insurance? Have you tried hiring Amnerican programmers for the same rates you pay Russian programmers?
No and no. No US Java programmer is going to work for $14 per hour. And even if they did, they would probally not have a very good attitude about it.
246 posted on
07/19/2003 9:17:44 AM PDT by
FoxPro
To: FoxPro
No and no. No US Java programmer is going to work for $14 per hour. And even if they did, they would probally not have a very good attitude about it.You're right, I would never work for $14 an hour because I can't support my family at that wage. Thanks for lowering my wages courtesy of Russia. Hopefully you're intelligent enough to know when your "team" is sandbagging otherwise they'll take you for a ride even at $14 an hour.
To: FoxPro
No US Java programmer is going to work for $14 per hour.You never know unless you try.
And even if they did, they would probally not have a very good attitude about it.
So you are concerned about attitude. I would suggest that perhaps if you offered the jobs in the USA first you might well be surprised and the economies from using USA programmers wouldmake up for the attitude you presume you will see.
I am really personally glad you are not taking advantage of the government handouts that are available for your operations but then again as a niche operation the recent devaluation of US currency must have had some effect on your costs. Perhaps your attitude on this will change as you see your children living in what is becoming a third world nation.
249 posted on
07/19/2003 9:59:29 AM PDT by
harpseal
(Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
To: FoxPro
No US Java programmer is going to work for $14 per hour. And even if they did, they would probally not have a very good attitude about it. This brings up some related questions: if the offshore team fails to perform or includes some horrendous bug that shows up only after delivery, do you, as the broker, assume all liability? And will regular commercial E & O cover you for such things, or do you have to self-insure?
In either case, what percentage of your rate to the client is insurance against these calamities? How is the liability spread in case of foreign events beyond your control, such as nuclear war between India and Pakistan?
To: FoxPro
"No and no. No US Java programmer is going to work for $14 per hour. And even if they did, they would probally not have a very good attitude about it."
After-all as an RN, 16 years in the career dealing with poop, spit and blood, I make around 23/hr not including shift differential.(I started at 8.25/hr). Coders with advanced degrees aren't going to accept 14/hr when they know that a career field such as nursing that is undervalued in society(not in a money sense) is paying starting nurses around 16 to 18/hr. (many RN's have just AAS degrees too, not BSN's)
There have been attempts to bring in nurses from other countries, to in part relieve the nursing shortage for years, but the attrition and burn-out rates are so high,(with the need also for nurses in other countries) the importees hardly make a dent. Also the importees, often have not tested well on the required tests and their language skills are limited. Filopino's have adapted fairly well in the past, though the latest crop haven't been as good.
Nursing is also a field in which nurses tend to "eat their young". The work-place models tend to foster a "pecking order" scenario, coupled with a dominantly female heir-archy which is stuck some-where between the enjoyment of the perks of Chivalry with the so called "empowerment" of modern feminism. Males can survive as nurses better now than before, though I am often bemused at the confusion in the women as to how to treat the males. There is simmering resentment because the male is doing 'woman's work, but they can't admit to it because feminism says there should be no gender based discrimination. The work has changed, it calls for much more analytical thinking and planning(which men do a good job at) for what to do for your patients and less of the mopping of the brow and the holding of the hand(though that is important too).
I don't know about the social world of coding, but it some-times seems more attractive, even at 14/hr then some of the social crap I have to put up with, and that's not from the patients! Just observe what happens on a nursing unit when a nurse announces all the crimes of her current consort and that she plans to leave him. The males have to step very carefully around that afflicted one,transference issues are very common, pro and con. One male may be seen as the white knight and the other the very likeness of the Satanic husband himself. Men get criticized for not "thinking emotionally", but that actually is a very good stregnth as allows him to be "above the fray" in an emergency in a way that woman have trouble understanding.
I would like them try to out-source nursing...what is happening more and more instead, is that nurses are being "credentialed" to do more of what physicians used to do, there-fore reducing the need for higher priced physicians.
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