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To: Ramius; Cacique; harpseal
Good Grief, it is not about high wages or anything like that!!

While we can whine about losing our high paying job, the problem is that we are losing the ability to produce!!

The machines necessary to make things are moving to China!! The replacement costs of new machines is prohibitive unless you have a market for it, only if you cannot make it cheaper than a slave can, you have no market!!

What product am I going to make that cannot be reverse engineered by a geek with a set of verniers and a tape measure and calipers and shadowgraph?? Even if I did design somehting unique, since we handed the technology of machine tools and the methods to produce to these slave labor countries, my new product will only exist in competitive form in this country for no more than 3 years. Once it makes it overseas, and is recognized as a commodity that grreedy westerners will buy, it will be copied and mass produced for pennies on the dollar, and we GAVE THEM the means to do so!! They didnt develop it!! They didnt design it!! They didnt spend the money necessary to finalize the design or methods, they just copied what they saw or outright bought the machines that the originating company used to make this product!!

Goodness! People are so stupid!! We are handing away the store on this stuff, the technology we are giving away is not just intellectual, it is a the physical machines we used to make widgets, buttons, fabrics, filters, oils, sheet metal, (did you know that? Even the simple sheet metal bending industries are losing work to China?? The simple press brake is going to disappear because a SLAVE can learn how to bend metal just as well!!)

This is why I scream at this: Most people who are the free trade cheerleaders must have never worked in manufacturing in their life. They have no clue as to what is happening to us!!

147 posted on 07/18/2003 8:05:02 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
Wait until China learns all our manufacturing secrets and is responsible for all intellectual capital and new development efforts. At that point China will give Corporate America (tm) the boot and compete with them directly at a far reduced rate. Then the corporations will be screaming, protect us it's unfair.
152 posted on 07/18/2003 8:13:22 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: RaceBannon
While we can whine about losing our high paying job, the problem is that we are losing the ability to produce!!

You know, Race, I think maybe we don't disagree by very much. I agree that we're losing our ability to manufacture in a way that is competitive with the rest of the world. There are lots of reasons. Some of them rest on unions, some of them rest on regulation.

I don't happen to think, though, that we should place blame on the consumer. Consumers must make decisions based on cost-effectiveness and little else.

156 posted on 07/18/2003 8:19:11 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: RaceBannon
Excellent series of posts there Race. Common Sense is becoming ever rarer these days.
252 posted on 07/19/2003 11:11:09 AM PDT by WRhine
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