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1 posted on 07/18/2003 3:52:41 PM PDT by FoxPro
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link? source?
2 posted on 07/18/2003 3:54:55 PM PDT by Drango (Just 5¢ a day will end pledge drives on FreeRepublic.)
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3 posted on 07/18/2003 3:56:08 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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No need to justify as far as I'm concerned. Bring on globalization!

But you'd better put on those flame-proof underwear... the Buchanan Brigade might drop in.

4 posted on 07/18/2003 3:56:46 PM PDT by austinTparty
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I will let you decide.

As much as I might bitch for potential jobs lost to me personally, I can't say I blame you. Rock on, dude...

5 posted on 07/18/2003 3:57:34 PM PDT by mhking
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Well done, Fox. You better get the asbestos underwear on, though.

I applaud your good fortune, and I hope you don't get burned with the bad.

6 posted on 07/18/2003 4:00:10 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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Thanks for sharing your ups and downs with us.
8 posted on 07/18/2003 4:00:45 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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Nice piece. Thanks for your clarity.
10 posted on 07/18/2003 4:02:10 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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Everytime you outsource, God kills a baby lamb.
11 posted on 07/18/2003 4:02:20 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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I forgot to mention that I support a group of good engineers in China. Spoken English not really good, but the written is great, where it counts.
12 posted on 07/18/2003 4:02:56 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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You're just adapting to the present environment. You can't fight the trend, and neither can I or anyone else. My compliments on coming up with a creative solution!

My only small quibble (not with you, just with events) is to wonder what we as a country will do with all our wide-ranging committments if tax revenues start to decline as a result of globalization...but that certainly isn't your fault.

20 posted on 07/18/2003 4:09:19 PM PDT by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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Should I mop floors to keep an American in a cubicle, I will let you decide.

I've done exactly that (mop floors), and I replaced an illegal alien who lost the job because he didn't have his papers (score a victory for the anti-immigration crowd--the floor-mopping job went to a real American!). I took it because it was a night job, and I could still send out resumes, do contract work, and go to interviews during the day.

There is no stopping this phenomenon. PCs are cheap, the internet is becoming ubiquitous, and if I will mop floors in grocery stores, I can't fault a Russian or an Indian for getting whatever work they can get their hands on. And I can't fault an honest American for taking outsourced projects like this.

I'm beginning to wonder what real security looks like, and if it was only a temporary, post-WWII phenomenon that began to die in the 1970s. To survive, we are all going to have to get tougher, faster, smarter, and bolder. Bitching about all the little yellow people who will work for less than us is probably a big waste of time.

21 posted on 07/18/2003 4:09:31 PM PDT by kezekiel
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You're essentially a middleman, and subject to being cut out of the loop when your programmers find someone who can drum up business for them cheaper, or when they learn how to do it themselves. Enjoy it while it lasts, but what goes around comes around.
24 posted on 07/18/2003 4:11:29 PM PDT by kms61
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Am I taking jobs from Americans, yes, do I feel bad about this, yes, do I have any other choice other than waiting tables, no.

I won't rehash our conversation on a previous thread, but I not only think you have a choice, I think your better option is finding the right working environment onshore.

25 posted on 07/18/2003 4:11:33 PM PDT by Snuffington
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hmmmmm
27 posted on 07/18/2003 4:12:26 PM PDT by dennisw (G-d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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I am glad to hear your story. I have seen many threads on FR about outsourcing and off-shore development, and each time I have declined to join in the discussion because I am one of the culprits, so to speak. I too am using off-shore resources to handle projects that I am managing here in the US. I do use local resources for some of the integration aspects (which I suspect that you will as well) but the core code is all done out of the US.
29 posted on 07/18/2003 4:16:45 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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Bravo FoxPro. Didn't let the whiners get you down and figured out how to change with the times.

I did the same thing by moving from mainframes to Imbedded systems which tend to be so small that the companies doing the work don't want to bother with overseas IP work (only the assembly drudgery).

32 posted on 07/18/2003 4:22:56 PM PDT by narby (Terminate Gray Davis)
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What you have is an intelligent system linked electronically only at an intermediate level . . . most of the linking is inside the heads of the programmers, and the highest level linking is in your customers' heads and your own.

Such a system has very great potential efficiency/effectiveness. I have wondered if it might not serve admirably for a replacement of the factory school. What is the point of the latter if you can hire a well-educated Indian who is fluent in English to individually tutor your child for peanuts?

The obvious question it poses is the "giant sucking sound" it implies--but then, who can stop that tide if they want to? The only obvious thing to do is analyze the benefits, and position yourself to avail yourself of them--exactly what you are doing. Note that in either your system or the education one, the job is done better and the cost is lower--while on the supply side the pay is attractive and American values are exported.

The highest level jobs are in identifying what jobs have the best payoff for underutilized talents. Sales jobs, in effect. And you are selling Russian programming talent/time. Hmm . . . now as you mention it my daughter is fluent (edited translations of Russian technical papers there)in Russian--and could use a little work . . .

37 posted on 07/18/2003 4:32:47 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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Interesting story, thanks for putting it up. I enjoyed reading it.

It isn't your fault all the jobs are going to the cheap labor offshore. But you found a way to rustle up some of that income for yourself. It's the American way, I'd say.

38 posted on 07/18/2003 4:32:53 PM PDT by Semper911 (Bread and circus are not enough. Hence, FreeRepublic.com)
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I was sitting in my cozy sunroom home office.

OK, but you should be sitting in your drafty, drab Russian apartment. It is absolutely wrong to put your country and your fellow citizens dead last on your list of priorities. You are definitely gonna "get your piece of the pie" but you apparently don't care if the rest of us are living under a bridge.

Labor has always been cheaper overseas. Only recently has it been acceptable for American business owners to throw all thought of their country's future to the wind in order to make a fast buck.

It's wrong to send American jobs overseas. It's killing our country. I have no political interest in Pat Buchanan but I do have a burning love for my country and my loyalty is not for sale.

Your personal gain from using foreign workers will be short-lived if your country is financially crippled from the relentless job outsourcing now under way.

I know where I was born. I know the price paid to build this nation. It is not measured in dollars and cents and I don't apologize for demanding loyalty to the United States and its good citizens.

40 posted on 07/18/2003 4:34:07 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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do I have any other choice other than waiting tables, no.

Same lame excuse offered by generations of prostitutes as they spread venereal disease throughout the community.

42 posted on 07/18/2003 4:35:15 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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