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Why I Outsource Offshore
Friday, July 18, 2003 | Me

Posted on 07/18/2003 3:52:41 PM PDT by FoxPro

Why I Outsource Offshore

Friday, July 18, 2003

When the planes hit the World Trade Center, I was sitting in my cozy sunroom home office. Living in Fairfax County Virginia, we actually heard the plane that hit the Pentagon fly very low overhead. We knew something else was going to get hit. Then we actually heard and felt the explosion. The next minute my son and I were outside in the street looking up into the sky. We didn’t know what to expect.

I didn’t know that my life had radically changed that day; I knew the country had, that was quite apparent. But the downward spiral I was about to take wasn’t going to be pretty.

I remember telling my sons pre 9/11 about the phone calls I would get from headhunters, at least once a day. I would tell my kids’ that was real job security, having skills that were readily needed in the marketplace. I actually made $16,000 in about a day, tracking down a bug in a major government computer system. I remember working on another system on my laptop aboard a cruise ship in the Caribbean (the cruise ships had just gotten email capabilities, and my client had no idea where I was, and didn’t care). Talk about working from home! We all probably all have many great memories of the good times.

The week after 9/11, nobody returned my phone calls. I had a couple of contracts with a very large city government. We couldn’t even get into the building. Of course I later found out that the city was much more interested in detecting anthrax and acquiring and placing cement barriers than the work I was doing for them, tracking the maintenance of the cities trees and processing abandon vehicles left on the city streets. I was instantly unemployed. It was the end of an era.

It was time to send out some resumes, nothing, time to get out the Rolodex and tap into my “old boy network”, nothing. A month goes by, then two. I remember going to the local shoe retailer, because they had a sign posted looking for a store manager. I showed the current manager my resume, and he told me not to bother applying, they knew I would be gone the instant I got another tech job. Time to send out thousands of resumes, all over the world, nothing. Several months pass. I tap into my homes equity to pay the mortgage, sort of like chewing your own arm off. All my friends are doing likewise. We talk with each other, it deadens the boredom and pain, misery loves company.

Ok, so I am going to re-tool, so I buy some on-line coursework to learn Oracle 9i. I start digging in 8 hours a day, going through the coursework; I hate every second of it.

I actually started reading articles about offshore outsourcing here on freerepublic.com. I was upset by this as most people were. I had lost my wife by then, and it is apparent that the house that I had planned to play with my grandkids in will be gone soon also. I am at my low point.

Just through dumb luck, a complete stranger calls me up one day, and tells me he ran into my resume, and was impressed with my background. He tells me that over the last year, he has cobbled together a team of programmers in Moscow that can write computer systems in just about any language. He tells me they are quite good, and I believe him because I have worked with Russian programmers before. The he told me one thing that would change my career goals forever. The Russians will write computer systems, Including Oracle systems for as little as $15 per hour. In other words, I am beating my brains out to learn a computer database system that can be done elsewhere in the world for about the same price as is paid to a cahier at the local grocery store. This changes everything. I rewrite my rather lengthy resume.

I cobble together a list of email addresses of headhunters and other companies from several job boards. The title I put on my resume is “Offshore Outsourcing Project Manager”. In my resume under the skills section I put the rather lengthy list of technical skills the Russians posses. The list includes just about every major computer system I have ever come across. It is the ultimate resume. I mail out a few hundred. I don’t have to wait for long.

The next day, the phone rings. Another telemarketing call, I am thinking. The man on the other end of the line tells me he is looking at my resume. He starts explaining a project he needs accomplished, actually two projects. I have no idea what he is talking about. And I can tell he is getting frustrated. He tells me that he is going to email me his address, and I should show up the next day at 1 PM. I am excited yet confused. I don’t sleep well that night.

I am ushered into a boardroom a little after one the next day. I didn’t eat lunch, partially because I really don’t have much money, and I am a little dizzy (lost 30 pounds through the last 12 months). They start explaining the projects to me, three guys, a marker board and me for 3 hours. The last hour I am just sitting there with my mouth hanging open. I am starting to get what they want, two computer systems for arguably the largest retail chain in the world. They are massive undertakings using cutting edge technology, and it is obvious it will take dozens of programmers and other specialists (maybe more). Then they tell me how much they want to pay for all of this, and it isn’t much. But it beats the heck out of what I made in the last 6 months, which was nothing. At this point I am only thinking that I want to just get something going, anything. I just want something to do, any form of cash flow, to make some contacts and get the hell out of my house once in a while.

I instant messaged the Russians the next morning. They couldn’t believe whom the project was for or the massive scope of the undertaking. I had my Visio thing going most of the night, and I had some pretty dead on flow charts of what was explained to me, which I emailed to them. They started sending over some very impressive examples of XML scripts based on my previous nights work and the hours of conversations we had. The client liked it all. They were impressed. I could not believe what I was getting into.

We all signed the clients NDA’s, and wrangled over some small details in our various contracts. We put together a scope of work, and set a timeline with invoiceable milestones in MS Project (the Russians are very good at this also). My project leads wife had a baby, and we all send each other pictures of our kids. Weeks pass in preparation. I am starting to get to know these guys, and they work together as a precise seamless team (woman are not allowed in there office building). They work late into the night (5 PM EST is 1 AM Moscow time). The client is happy, we are busy and I can’t provide any further details for legal reasons. Suffice it to say your mother/sister/wife will probably use this system at a store near you within the next few months. And I get to point to it and say, “I did that”. I didn’t make much money off of it, but it sure beat sitting at home all day playing computer games.

A little information on the team:

They don’t speak English, but they read and write it well. In the late 80s the Russian defense industries essentially imploded, and a lot of very intelligent people were left jobless (sounds familiar). It was at about this time the Internet came into its own (well email initially). They started getting possession of US computer systems documentation. Many of them learned English by mastering these systems. It took them several years to do this. Thousands of hours of hard work and study. They are very good technical writers and write proposals and documentation like no others that I have seen. They are very productive, and are slowly getting rich (by there standards). I have never met any of them personally, but look forward to doing so someday. I do enjoy working with them. They are slowly becoming good friends.

In conclusion:

Am I taking jobs from Americans, yes, do I feel bad about this, yes, do I have any other choice other than waiting tables, no.

Should I mop floors to keep an American in a cubicle, I will let you decide.


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To: Luis Gonzalez
I actually made $16,000 in about a day, tracking down a bug in a major government computer system.

True story, I dint tell them I fixed it for a month. I used to be able to play that game, not any more. But it still goes on.

181 posted on 07/18/2003 9:09:30 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: StolarStorm
"I would still vote for candidates that worked to limit outsourcing."

You can vote for anybody you want and for any reason, but if you think you would be doing the right thing or helping yourself or anybody else, you would be wrong. Capitalism and free markets are part of the foundations of freedom. And the most efficient and cost effective means of doing anything, will eventually benefit and reward the most people.

182 posted on 07/18/2003 9:10:40 PM PDT by Reagan Renaissance
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To: Elliott Gigantalope
Get rid of all the endangered species and we will all be better off.
183 posted on 07/18/2003 9:12:33 PM PDT by Reagan Renaissance
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To: Reagan Renaissance
Capitalism and free markets are part of the foundations of freedom.

Another is patriotism. But I agree that the government is not the solution to this problem.

184 posted on 07/18/2003 9:13:59 PM PDT by palmer (Lazamataz for Supreme Ruler!)
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To: Gorzaloon
And he sold all our secrets to China so he get re-elected and screw us for four more years. And he is counting the days until it will be Hillary's turn in the barrel. Right now, both of them are thinking that it might be sooner rather than later.
185 posted on 07/18/2003 9:15:15 PM PDT by Reagan Renaissance
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To: palmer
If they buy a TV at WalMart because it's cheap and convenient, then they are stupid because it will probably break sooner than any other TV they could purchase.

Then take it back and get another one.

But, of course, it won't break, because Wal-Mart sells the same stuff Target and Costco, and Sears and other retailers sell, only cheaper.

Have you even been in a Wal-Mart lately? You ought to go, then you'll realize you've been paying too much for some of the same stuff.

186 posted on 07/18/2003 9:15:18 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Lion in Winter
Either way is an honest living. I can't really go into the argument right now as to the outsourcing and all. But FoxPro has hit a new vein, marketing wise.
188 posted on 07/18/2003 9:18:51 PM PDT by bvw
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To: battousai
created jobs and wealth both in the US and in Russia!

And why cant so many people understand that.You must work for the government /sarcasm

189 posted on 07/18/2003 9:19:43 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: FoxPro
I want to ask whether you are divorced or seperated, etc. But I've already been too personal. However it does color the story as to motivation and tradeoffs.
190 posted on 07/18/2003 9:20:51 PM PDT by bvw
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To: meatloaf
Mr Meatloaf,

One stands in awe of your kindness to your mother in regard to the malfunctioning Air Conditioner.

Me thinks that you should consider a career in air conditioning repair.

At the very least, I have not the foggiest notion as to what the post was about otherwise.

I am afraid that when it comes to mechanics of things, I am up a tree without a parachute or is it up a river without benefit of a boat.

Ah, never mind. I am just too befuddled about motors, coils and crappy aluminum SIDEWALLS(?)

Oh, my... and getting ones hands actually dirty.

*/ 8 ^ {

191 posted on 07/18/2003 9:21:05 PM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: FoxPro
Good noght, sir and good luck. Your posting is a real value!
192 posted on 07/18/2003 9:22:07 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Puddleglum
If you study what you wrote, the only real problem is the government. If the blood-suckers in and living on government weren't cannabaling the rest of us in the economy, everybody, including the blood-suckers and parasites, would be better off.
193 posted on 07/18/2003 9:23:10 PM PDT by Reagan Renaissance
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To: sinkspur
No, I haven't been to Walmart since the spring, looking in the garden section, but the issue is whether I take the time to research and buy American even if it means paying more. I have done that for shoes and clothes. I have been lax on computers, my last one was from Taiwan.
194 posted on 07/18/2003 9:25:45 PM PDT by palmer (Lazamataz for Supreme Ruler!)
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To: Support Free Republic

How come I donated an Additional $20 tonight from my previous donation and it didn't show up on the scoreboard?

Just Curious. I consider FR worthy. Just wondering :)
195 posted on 07/18/2003 9:28:52 PM PDT by Malsua (ew)
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To: FoxPro; Admin Moderator
This man is a churl and a dastard for using this language to describe his former wife. I had believed that a certain level of civility was required to post on this forum. Is that not correct, or has something changed?
196 posted on 07/18/2003 9:32:24 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: bvw
bvw,

We sould be concerned as to which vein he has hit upon.

Me thinks it could be potentially very hazardous for his health.

Why, once my best hunter jumper was struck in a vein near his withers.

Blast it all! We had to put him down. Best horse at show one year.

Dreadfully sorry to have brought it up.

Oh, painful memory that.

*/:` ^ (

197 posted on 07/18/2003 9:32:33 PM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: Lion in Winter
Perhaps you could elucidate some marital advice as well?

Well, I caught her in bed with my brother 15 years ago. The marriage ended spiritually then. I decided then to stay for the kid’s sake. They are grown now. My investment paid off well with them. You couldn’t create better kids in a lab. I have NEVER had one cross word with my sons, and I find that something that I rely on when dealing with other/new people I associate with. My KIDS taught me everything that I know. The college degree is just a piece of shit.

198 posted on 07/18/2003 9:33:48 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: FoxPro
Who Move my Cheese?

FoxPro the selfesh self-centered, "Screw America" I am getting mine so drop dead, My best friends are all in Russia, I could care less about anyone but me!

Your all on the "List" you can count on it.

Either we figure out how to compete with the rest of the world or we will die.

Dirt huts and 5 pennies and hour with Socialism.

Your next!

199 posted on 07/18/2003 9:33:51 PM PDT by Afronaut
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To: Lion in Winter
Let me simplify more. Nothing is as it was. For that reason anything done now and in the future will have to comply with more laws and regulations.
200 posted on 07/18/2003 9:40:57 PM PDT by meatloaf
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