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Why I Outsource Offshore
Friday, July 18, 2003 | Me

Posted on 07/18/2003 3:52:41 PM PDT by FoxPro

Why I Outsource Offshore

Friday, July 18, 2003

When the planes hit the World Trade Center, I was sitting in my cozy sunroom home office. Living in Fairfax County Virginia, we actually heard the plane that hit the Pentagon fly very low overhead. We knew something else was going to get hit. Then we actually heard and felt the explosion. The next minute my son and I were outside in the street looking up into the sky. We didn’t know what to expect.

I didn’t know that my life had radically changed that day; I knew the country had, that was quite apparent. But the downward spiral I was about to take wasn’t going to be pretty.

I remember telling my sons pre 9/11 about the phone calls I would get from headhunters, at least once a day. I would tell my kids’ that was real job security, having skills that were readily needed in the marketplace. I actually made $16,000 in about a day, tracking down a bug in a major government computer system. I remember working on another system on my laptop aboard a cruise ship in the Caribbean (the cruise ships had just gotten email capabilities, and my client had no idea where I was, and didn’t care). Talk about working from home! We all probably all have many great memories of the good times.

The week after 9/11, nobody returned my phone calls. I had a couple of contracts with a very large city government. We couldn’t even get into the building. Of course I later found out that the city was much more interested in detecting anthrax and acquiring and placing cement barriers than the work I was doing for them, tracking the maintenance of the cities trees and processing abandon vehicles left on the city streets. I was instantly unemployed. It was the end of an era.

It was time to send out some resumes, nothing, time to get out the Rolodex and tap into my “old boy network”, nothing. A month goes by, then two. I remember going to the local shoe retailer, because they had a sign posted looking for a store manager. I showed the current manager my resume, and he told me not to bother applying, they knew I would be gone the instant I got another tech job. Time to send out thousands of resumes, all over the world, nothing. Several months pass. I tap into my homes equity to pay the mortgage, sort of like chewing your own arm off. All my friends are doing likewise. We talk with each other, it deadens the boredom and pain, misery loves company.

Ok, so I am going to re-tool, so I buy some on-line coursework to learn Oracle 9i. I start digging in 8 hours a day, going through the coursework; I hate every second of it.

I actually started reading articles about offshore outsourcing here on freerepublic.com. I was upset by this as most people were. I had lost my wife by then, and it is apparent that the house that I had planned to play with my grandkids in will be gone soon also. I am at my low point.

Just through dumb luck, a complete stranger calls me up one day, and tells me he ran into my resume, and was impressed with my background. He tells me that over the last year, he has cobbled together a team of programmers in Moscow that can write computer systems in just about any language. He tells me they are quite good, and I believe him because I have worked with Russian programmers before. The he told me one thing that would change my career goals forever. The Russians will write computer systems, Including Oracle systems for as little as $15 per hour. In other words, I am beating my brains out to learn a computer database system that can be done elsewhere in the world for about the same price as is paid to a cahier at the local grocery store. This changes everything. I rewrite my rather lengthy resume.

I cobble together a list of email addresses of headhunters and other companies from several job boards. The title I put on my resume is “Offshore Outsourcing Project Manager”. In my resume under the skills section I put the rather lengthy list of technical skills the Russians posses. The list includes just about every major computer system I have ever come across. It is the ultimate resume. I mail out a few hundred. I don’t have to wait for long.

The next day, the phone rings. Another telemarketing call, I am thinking. The man on the other end of the line tells me he is looking at my resume. He starts explaining a project he needs accomplished, actually two projects. I have no idea what he is talking about. And I can tell he is getting frustrated. He tells me that he is going to email me his address, and I should show up the next day at 1 PM. I am excited yet confused. I don’t sleep well that night.

I am ushered into a boardroom a little after one the next day. I didn’t eat lunch, partially because I really don’t have much money, and I am a little dizzy (lost 30 pounds through the last 12 months). They start explaining the projects to me, three guys, a marker board and me for 3 hours. The last hour I am just sitting there with my mouth hanging open. I am starting to get what they want, two computer systems for arguably the largest retail chain in the world. They are massive undertakings using cutting edge technology, and it is obvious it will take dozens of programmers and other specialists (maybe more). Then they tell me how much they want to pay for all of this, and it isn’t much. But it beats the heck out of what I made in the last 6 months, which was nothing. At this point I am only thinking that I want to just get something going, anything. I just want something to do, any form of cash flow, to make some contacts and get the hell out of my house once in a while.

I instant messaged the Russians the next morning. They couldn’t believe whom the project was for or the massive scope of the undertaking. I had my Visio thing going most of the night, and I had some pretty dead on flow charts of what was explained to me, which I emailed to them. They started sending over some very impressive examples of XML scripts based on my previous nights work and the hours of conversations we had. The client liked it all. They were impressed. I could not believe what I was getting into.

We all signed the clients NDA’s, and wrangled over some small details in our various contracts. We put together a scope of work, and set a timeline with invoiceable milestones in MS Project (the Russians are very good at this also). My project leads wife had a baby, and we all send each other pictures of our kids. Weeks pass in preparation. I am starting to get to know these guys, and they work together as a precise seamless team (woman are not allowed in there office building). They work late into the night (5 PM EST is 1 AM Moscow time). The client is happy, we are busy and I can’t provide any further details for legal reasons. Suffice it to say your mother/sister/wife will probably use this system at a store near you within the next few months. And I get to point to it and say, “I did that”. I didn’t make much money off of it, but it sure beat sitting at home all day playing computer games.

A little information on the team:

They don’t speak English, but they read and write it well. In the late 80s the Russian defense industries essentially imploded, and a lot of very intelligent people were left jobless (sounds familiar). It was at about this time the Internet came into its own (well email initially). They started getting possession of US computer systems documentation. Many of them learned English by mastering these systems. It took them several years to do this. Thousands of hours of hard work and study. They are very good technical writers and write proposals and documentation like no others that I have seen. They are very productive, and are slowly getting rich (by there standards). I have never met any of them personally, but look forward to doing so someday. I do enjoy working with them. They are slowly becoming good friends.

In conclusion:

Am I taking jobs from Americans, yes, do I feel bad about this, yes, do I have any other choice other than waiting tables, no.

Should I mop floors to keep an American in a cubicle, I will let you decide.


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To: palmer
I am a capitalist not a globalist. Reagan believed in creating jobs for Americans through trickle down economics. The globalists would have the trickling happen in another country which breaks the cycle.
161 posted on 07/18/2003 8:26:06 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: Ramius
Consumers must make decisions based on cost-effectiveness and little else.

Cost-effectiveness must include the realization that their American purchase supports more domestic economic activity through the multiplier effect. That effect is not present when you make no domestic purchases and your (or your children's) taxes will ultimately increase to make up for the loss of taxable economic activity.

Also cost-effectiveness can't include convenience. A consumer's time is not so valuable that he must go to one giant store to buy everything made in China. If they do that (e.g. spur of the moment Walmart TV purchase) they end up with low quality items which negate any savings.

162 posted on 07/18/2003 8:27:51 PM PDT by palmer (Lazamataz for Supreme Ruler!)
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To: Ramius
OK... so what WOULD you do? How do you fix it?

I would look to the constitution. There is damage done but we could do pretty bad before we did worse than handing nuclear bombs over to a communist govt and finacing their military buildup as the "free traders" have done.

163 posted on 07/18/2003 8:30:52 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: RockyMtnMan
Reagan believed in patriotism, for the most part people didn't take those large tax cuts and buy chinese TV's. Also cuts targetted at the wealthy are much more likely to result in investment which was primarily domestic.
164 posted on 07/18/2003 8:31:15 PM PDT by palmer (Lazamataz for Supreme Ruler!)
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To: palmer
I agree with you 100%.
165 posted on 07/18/2003 8:32:12 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: PuNcH
PuNch, my dear friend. I can call you friend, can't I?

I do understand your frustration.

Slave labor in China benefits this society in the same way it did before the American Civil War. However, please do not spread that around. You certainly do want another CIVIL WAR on your hands, do you?

You cannot talk reason to these fellows who are making a living off the labor of slaves in China.

Remember no man is really free while any man is a slave.

Gadzooks! I cannot, for the life of me, remember who it was, that gave us that little saying.

*/;^)

166 posted on 07/18/2003 8:35:10 PM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: PuNcH
The constitution already laid it all out. See: Post
167 posted on 07/18/2003 8:36:24 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: virgil
How do you get the dollar to go farther here? It seems that if foreign labor is so cheap, and we import so much of their stuff, our prices should go down.

Insightful economic observation of the night. Do you notice nobody ever talks about this?

168 posted on 07/18/2003 8:37:48 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: meadsjn
"The answer to America's high tech unemployment problems are hidden right here in FoxPro's post..."

Yes, I found it.

"I actually made $16,000 in about a day, tracking down a bug in a major government computer system."

169 posted on 07/18/2003 8:38:32 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Cuba serĂ¡ libre...soon.)
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To: FoxPro
Do you notice nobody ever talks about this?

That's because it's not happening, companies are maintaining their prices and fattening the bottom line. Without significant competition there is no reason to lower prices.

170 posted on 07/18/2003 8:40:07 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: FoxPro
IIRC, you said that during this process your wife left you, you lost your house, your family. She called you "a washed up computer hack".
171 posted on 07/18/2003 8:42:24 PM PDT by bvw
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To: FoxPro
"Am I taking jobs from Americans, yes"

I would say the answer to that is a big NO, there are no Americans who will code for $15 an hour, its like those tax breaks for people who don't pay taxes, you can't take away jobs that never existed.

But as you can see trade in skills, that is what off shore work is, actually created jobs and wealth both in the US and in Russia!



172 posted on 07/18/2003 8:43:43 PM PDT by battousai (This is not the tag line you are looking for... move along ... move along.)
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To: RaceBannon
Good God!! That is NOT free market, that is NOT capitalism, that is NOT free Trade, it is SOCIALISM!!

Man I love your post. I sometimes feel the same way. You are thinking about this situation 10-20 years from now, and it does give one pause, an important pause.

173 posted on 07/18/2003 8:45:42 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: FoxPro
Mr. Fox Pro,

Since you are bearing your soul, old man, exactly what was it then?

You know you have given us so much information so that we could understand your need NOT to have mop floors for a living.

Perhaps you could elucidate some marital advice as well?

You may help to save another unfortunate's marriage.

Not mine of course, as am a bereaved widower.

*/:^{

174 posted on 07/18/2003 8:47:52 PM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: Lion in Winter
Not even close. Remember he said, and I'm paraphrasing, "You can't build it now." It has nothing to with outsourcing. It's due to more restrictive requirements and the potential for lawsuits.

As an example, today I called an HVAC shop to look at my mother's fifty year old central air unit. It worked fine last year. The guy on the other end of the phone starts talking about not being able to repair it if it has lost freon again. The unit uses R500 gas which I lucked out and found a full tank at much less than the going price of $1,000 per a few years ago. So gas is not a problem. THE EPA IS.

The guy was going on and on about a leak. Hey, find the leak and fix it. The unit doesn't have the crappy aluminum thinwall stuff. The coils in the beast are heavy copper. The compressor is a standalone design run by a separate electric motor via a belt. No "unit" design where the compressor and motor are packaged together so the death of a motor means you get to buy the whole thing.

Turns out the 220V motor that forces the air across the coils outside had died. No biggie, other than a 1/3 hp 220V motor isn't exactly a stock item around here. While the tech was there, I asked him about the life expectancy of new units. The response, If you're really, really lucky, 25 years. Normally it's 15 years or less. The beast at my mother's will probably do another fifty years.

But I digress, the engineer was talking about what was required to get a bridge design accepted today as compared to decade ago.
175 posted on 07/18/2003 8:48:44 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: sinkspur
Our software company offshores, and some of our customers want to know if we could offshore some development work for them.

Send it to me, we are so agile now, and have plenty of capacity.

You know, don’t tell anybody, but my Russians admit that they spent many years divining ways to kill me, and I admit to them that my government did the same. We hope to resolve this issue over a cold bottle of Vodka someday. That will be a day of great moment for me.

176 posted on 07/18/2003 8:54:44 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: palmer
Also cost-effectiveness can't include convenience. A consumer's time is not so valuable that he must go to one giant store to buy everything made in China. If they do that (e.g. spur of the moment Walmart TV purchase) they end up with low quality items which negate any savings.

Yeah. That's why Wal-Mart's the largest retailer on the face of the earth: they sell nothing but cheap junk.

Never mind that they sell the same thing Target, and Costco, and other retailers sell. They just sell it for less.

In your world, American consumers are all stupid, and getting taken to the cleaners by Wal-Mart.

177 posted on 07/18/2003 8:59:42 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: gieriscm
"(The AW ban sunsets on 09/13/2004)"

That is only two months before an election. Want to bet on whether it gets renewed in Congress and signed by the President?

178 posted on 07/18/2003 9:01:55 PM PDT by Reagan Renaissance
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To: sinkspur
Stupid or thoughtless, doesn't really matter. The fact is there are American made TV's contrary to the theoreticians on this thread. If that poster could not find information that took me 2 seconds to find with Google, then they are stupid. If they buy a TV at WalMart because it's cheap and convenient, then they are stupid because it will probably break sooner than any other TV they could purchase.
179 posted on 07/18/2003 9:06:52 PM PDT by palmer (Lazamataz for Supreme Ruler!)
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To: bvw
bvw,

She called him names... I am fighting the outrage now.

How totally insensitive of her.

Imagine what she could have said if he had actually been forced, by those dreadful circumstances to MOP FLOORS for his living.

Why the mind simply boggles.

*\ :^ {

180 posted on 07/18/2003 9:09:00 PM PDT by Lion in Winter
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