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The key to this man/woman relationship thing is both partners must respect God first, then with that in place, both can respect and love each other regardless of our faults.

I think that is true. I do respect God. He is first in my life, but the churches in my area just stink--so I'm kind of on my own with that one... The Protestant ones are unbelievably liberal and I'm not Catholic, though my ex was--I used to go to Mass with her (when she used to go, before she got into New Age crap and Tarot reading) and the girls were dressed like 'hoochie-mamas'. I mean it was pretty cool, T & A and lots of exposed flesh, but not really what I would go to church for....

Women want the security to know that the man they marry will be there with them and the children for their entire life.

I don't believe that is true anymore. It may have never been true. I believe that we do not, and cannot, know what women want because they don't know what they want. They only wanted 'security' and a 'life-time mate' because they suffered badly if they didn't.

then women will try to use the state to obtain security.

No, they will use it to get money, fun, power and to avoid responsibility

97 posted on 07/17/2003 9:37:00 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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I do respect God. He is first in my life, but the churches in my area just stink--so I'm kind of on my own with that one... The Protestant ones are unbelievably liberal and I'm not Catholic, though my ex was--I used to go to Mass with her (when she used to go, before she got into New Age crap and Tarot reading) and the girls were dressed like 'hoochie-mamas'. I mean it was pretty cool, T & A and lots of exposed flesh, but not really what I would go to church for....

You sound like me when it comes to the church - my wife and I are Catholics. Of the five or so churches in my area, two are traditional enough that I can respect them, although we get the occasional organist that substitutes 'people' for 'mankind' in the hymns To me, that's an expression of hatred not inclusive language since 'mankind' never meant 'male-kind' by definition. Regardless, the churches have been feminized to some degree and have all kinds of flaws, but I reasoned that in countries where the church is outlawed, or in the days when the church was just becoming established in Rome, those who believe were for the most part on their own. So, I scouted out a parish where they have their act together and I do what I can to improve it. There are still those women that show up looking like they're going to a night club though.

I'm sorry to hear about your ex-wife, she reminds me of a lady I dated for awhile. She followed the god of new-age feminism more than the church as she chose to focus on the criticism of the faith instead of researching her faith for herself to understand it. There is nothing more important in life. If you'd like to read about this subject, a book I'd suggest is A Twist of Faith - How feminist spirituality is changing the church and betraying the women it promised to heal

I don't believe that [Women want the security to know that the man they marry will be there with them and the children for their entire life] is true anymore. It may have never been true. I believe that we do not, and cannot, know what women want because they don't know what they want. They only wanted 'security' and a 'life-time mate' because they suffered badly if they didn't.

I agree that most women don't know what they want. We've all been fed the idea that life is all about entertaining ourselves or seeking fame and fortune but nothing is said about family. Funny though, our most cherished memories is of our family. Big news items these days are that women are finding themselves too old to have children and a family - what they really wanted after all. I didn't try to figure out what women want, I knew what I wanted in a woman and I expressed it. It's tough today to find a woman who first of all, wants to be a woman and wants a family - but they are out there. That was my approach and I met my wife at Ballys (health club /gym) of all places.

No, they will use it [then women will try to use the state to obtain security] to get money, fun, power and to avoid responsibility

Feminists have organized the biggest 'union' ever and have power - power corrupts.

118 posted on 07/17/2003 2:50:30 PM PDT by disclaimer
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