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To: searchandrecovery
You are (well, seemingly), saying that males will rise up and rebel against society, gubmint, whatever.

No. There is no uprising. There's no need for one. Men can simply turn their backs on the whole thing. It's easy. For young men who didn't get roped into the marriage-and-divorce grinder, life will be different, but not bad in any way for them.

Being responsible for everything is work. The 'marriage deal', for men, was to put on a harness for thirty years and go be a draft animal. In return for this he got some semblance of honor and respect, and children he could enjoy and claim as his little contribution to the future. The electric linesman who got out of bed at 2 in the morning to go out and fix a downed power line in a snow storm didn't do that because it was fun. He did that because on his way out he would peek in the other bedroom and see those little ones in their cribs and think, "with this overtime we could buy them new beds."

Take away the guy's kids and his house, put him in a studio apartment with a hot plate instead of a stove, and all the air goes out of him. He used to care about making the world a better place for his kids. Now he doesn't care whether the world rots. In fact he hopes it does.

Except for the occasional nut (and we have had a few), you are not going see guys grabbing an M-1 and charging the Capitol. That's insane. The guy gets killed, and nothing changes. What we get instead are guys who have given up. They're Beat Dead Dads... squashed by a government that they hate, but that is too big and too powerful to take on. It has police and guns and courts and jails... the Rambo stuff is fantasy. The lights have gone out on these guys. But the fact that they don't care anymore collectively has a huge impact. We can't see it happening, but there is rot and decay building in all the little places where these guys work. If you've ever worked in a place where there was some kind of takeover, and all of a sudden everybody hates coming to work and nobody gives a damn anymore, you have seen how this proceeds. It all looks just peachy on the surface, but underneath, stuff is not getting done. The stuff that is getting done isn't being done well. The place never explodes, it just sort of creeps along. And one day it falls over.

What, you think somebody's going to publicize this? "Yep, I'm the guy who saw the wear marks on that worm gear in the MD-80, and I admit, I shoulda done something about that before it went down with all those people in it, but ya know, I just don't have the energy on this that I once did."

Nobody's going to write that. The stuff is just going to happen. I don't know that that particular incident happened that way, but you almost seem to be arguing that we can expect no ill effects from taking away from men the one thing that throughout human history, has caused men to organize themselves and bust their butts to make the future better than today.

A young man today can have no realistic expectation that he will be allowed to live in the same house with his own children, or to participate in raising them in any way. It's a total crap shoot, with a 50% chance of winding up in the studio apartment with the hot plate. That changes the game of "life" for men very dramatically. Now the "future of the world" doesn't matter anymore. The whole thing is "get by" and "have fun." It's actually an enormous relief, and in that way seductive. But for the society, it's a killer. The world is full of "matrilineal cultures" where men do not know who their children are, or have no ongoing contact with them. Look at 'em. 5,000 years later, they're still living in grass huts.

31 posted on 07/15/2003 7:43:18 PM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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To: Nick Danger
They're Beat Dead Dads... squashed by a government that they hate, but that is too big and too powerful to take on.

Read your reply (including above). Now I understand what you're saying.

The whole thing is "get by" and "have fun." It's actually an enormous relief, and in that way seductive. But for the society, it's a killer.

Yep.

33 posted on 07/16/2003 4:06:06 AM PDT by searchandrecovery (America will not exist in 25 years.)
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To: Nick Danger
You sir are wiser than your years.

You understand more about what is going on today than most people.

I have learned a lot from you today.

35 posted on 07/16/2003 4:37:06 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Nick Danger
50% chance of winding up in the studio apartment with the hot plate

Maybe ... Living in a van down by the river!

Cracking myself up....

36 posted on 07/16/2003 5:06:49 AM PDT by austinite
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To: Nick Danger
Wow! May I use that and add to it. I think the 25+ million immigrants who will either go back to mexico or remain here on the welfare tit will contrbute to the problem.
I see the problem at work. Noone cares. They have no job loyalties. They have no pride in doing a good job like the men I worked beside 25 years ago.
And I thought it would take a armed revolution. It wont It will just fall apart especially when gov.org self destructs with their monetary problems.If they dont send out those welfare checks because not enough men are working to pay for them look out

Too many illegals are working under the rader here in the southwest. White foks are not dumb. They will start to do it to. Workers comp, general liability, medicare, soc. sec. unenjoyment insurance, commercial auto policy have all skyrocted in the past two years creating many problems for my business.
Many people are cheating the system. I was raised with morals and honesty and have not resorted to cheating but many are for the quick buck.
I could go on but I have to go pay the IRS.
38 posted on 07/16/2003 5:19:52 AM PDT by winodog (Learn to speak spanish. Politicians are determined to destroy America.)
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To: Nick Danger
Nobody's going to write that. The stuff is just going to happen. I don't know that that particular incident happened that way, but you almost seem to be arguing that we can expect no ill effects from taking away from men the one thing that throughout human history, has caused men to organize themselves and bust their butts to make the future better than today.

My friend in #46, the one who doesn't care so much anymore, works as an ER Nurse. Two other friends, software managers, are responsible for systems that manage billions of dollars worth of stock transactions.

When things fall down, it will be ugly

47 posted on 07/16/2003 12:40:17 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer looking for next gig)
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To: Nick Danger
BUMP for later!...but let me say this, I see your point!
81 posted on 07/17/2003 7:45:40 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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To: Nick Danger
Someone must have REALLY hurt you awhile back. :(
102 posted on 07/17/2003 9:56:57 AM PDT by Windsong
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