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To: jennyp
serious question jennyp: Do you believe js1138's statement was a scientific one? Do you believe he was making your case or that he was enjoying himself when he made his filthy remark?

I do believe the question has been answered with each desperate post by you and a few others to try to recast his moment of corrupt glee into a biological treatise.
4,298 posted on 07/18/2003 10:21:12 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
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To: ALS
serious question jennyp: Do you believe js1138's statement was a scientific one? Do you believe he was making your case or that he was enjoying himself when he made his filthy remark?

A scientific statement? Of course not. It was a distillation of what is implied when the flagella is the "poster boy" example of something that had to have been designed by God. As such, there was nothing filthy about it. He was highlighting the absurdity of the position you ID'ers put yourselves into when you latch on to that claim.

I do believe the question has been answered with each desperate post by you and a few others to try to recast his moment of corrupt glee into a biological treatise.

So your answer to my two-part question...

Do you believe that God designed the H. pylori's flagellum? And since H. pylori specifically uses its flagellum to attack the intestine, thus causing diarrhea, did God design diarrhea?
...is "yes". Thank you. Now, I'm wondering if you believe that bacterial diseases such as diarrhea came about as part of The Fall? As I understand it, in The Fall God removed His protection against the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, thereby allowing death & deterioration & destruction to occur. IOW, The Fall did not consist of God making positive acts of design to create the world's deadly & destructive things; they came about as the natural consequence of the material world.

So if the deadly flagella came about as part of The Fall, then it was part of corrupt nature taking its course, and not because of any affirmative, positive step that God made. But of course that means that it must have evolved and was not designed.

But you say that the flagella, which is the very instrument of death for H. pylori, E. coli, & others, was created by a positive, affirmative act of creation by God.

So help me out, ALS. Help me understand how you resolve this contradiction in your belief system? And if there is no contradiction, then please tell me precisely where my description of your beliefs re: the flagella is incorrect?

4,299 posted on 07/18/2003 11:24:56 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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