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To: VadeRetro
Thank you so much for your reply, your encouragements and your questions! Hugs!

"Enter" from where? Did God made Satan?

Yes, God made Satan:

Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. – Ezekiel 28:14-18

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In any event, where does this God chap come from?

The Father has life in Himself and He gave that to the Son also:

For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. – John 5:21

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; - John 5:25-26

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I don't expect you to know, of course. I'm just hoping you realize that keeping everything anthropic doesn't really answer any more questions than any other approach.

I disagree. The anthropic principle says to quit looking. By contrast, Jewish tradition says that God expects us to wonder and we will be asked upon arrival why we did not want to know more about Him, why we were not curious, why we did not study. This rings true to my Spirit.

4,151 posted on 07/18/2003 8:06:42 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Thanks again for your reply. We're talking past each other on the "Where did God come from" question. My complaint, somewhat off-topic to the origin of evil, is as follows. Ascribing the universe to an anthropic God--literally one whose image is mirrored in our own--fully formed from somewhere outside of His creation and infinitely capable, simply moves the question forever out of reach. (Another thing: His omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence would seem to contradict the statement that our image is His image.)

Most times, there's nothing about the approach that strikes me as either likely or intellectually satisfying as an answer to the real origin of the universe. This doesn't mean that I can prove it wrong or that I'm sure it is. Thus, I call myself an agnostic. I marvel that people not only think they know absurd details of the God story, but that they imagine the answers as obvious.

4,159 posted on 07/18/2003 8:24:17 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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