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To: js1138; VadeRetro; AndrewC; ALS
I know y'all didn’t ask me, but I’ve pondered at length on the subject of why creation includes good and evil and I do have a few ideas I’d like to share for the discussion. This is an excerpt from my larger article, Evolution Through the Back Door

One of the words used to describe God at creation is Ayn Sof which roughly translated from Hebrew means infinite and nothing. The scientific term for such a state at the beginning of this universe, is singularity - in which there are no physical laws, no space, no time, no particles, no geometry, no energy, nothing - and yet everything. It has a parallel in math as well, the number zero - nothing can be divided by it, anything multiplied by it is it, it is in between all positive and negative numbers. Infinite and not at the same time.

I pondered on this state at length and deduced that God must have wanted to reveal Himself and thus there was a beginning.

Then I pondered how God would go about revealing Himself. I deduced He would create beings who could think to whom He would reveal Himself and would commune. I further deduced how He would go about communicating Himself to these beings, i.e. that He is good and truth and so forth.

These attributes would have no meaning in any language unless they were set in contrast to what they are not. (How would you know if you are happy if you have never been sad?) Thus, I pondered that He would create good and evil, love and hate, et al so that a language could be formed, the Word.

I then pondered He would communicate His will to the thinking beings so they would know Him. I also pondered that, for the words to have meaning, He would give them numerous manifestations of all these contrasts - space/time, geometry, particles, energy, matter, creatures.

One of the ideas of the Jewish Kabbalah that rings true to my spirit is that the Scriptures are another name for God, i.e. it reveals who He is. So I see all of creation - spiritual and material - and the Word as God revealing Himself.

Enter Satan, beautiful and thinking being as he is, decided he ought to exalted. He became "aware" of his beauty and self and thus was at odds with God's will for him.

Likewise, Adam and Eve became "aware" of themselves and sought to be more by gaining the knowledge of good and evil. So likewise, they were at odds with God's will for them and were banished to mortality (the frog view [in Tegmark’s article].)

When it is all said and done [His kingdom come] I see us restored to what was intended at the beginning, we will be the thinking beings to whom God reveals Himself and with whom He communes. His will is what matters over all else. The Lord's Prayer reveals as much, the meaning of life and the purpose of our existence:

Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:
For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

IMHO, every believer ought to meditate deeply, every day, on the Lord's Prayer - phrase by phrase and word by word. Our place is sandwiched between God's purpose and His dominion.

My two cents...

4,139 posted on 07/18/2003 7:28:21 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Enter Satan, beautiful and thinking being as he is, decided he ought to exalted. He became "aware" of his beauty and self and thus was at odds with God's will for him.

"Enter" from where? Did God made Satan? In any event, where does this God chap come from?

I don't expect you to know, of course. I'm just hoping you realize that keeping everything anthropic doesn't really answer any more questions than any other approach.

But I appreciate your sharing of your thoughts (and your generally calming influence). Hugs!

4,141 posted on 07/18/2003 7:38:57 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Alamo-Girl
I knew you would be attracted to this issue (like a moth to the flame, no doubt). I don't have a snappy response to your post, but I thank you for not assuming my intentions were blasphemous. I have an intuitive suspicion that this problem is close to the heart of what divides us.
4,145 posted on 07/18/2003 7:42:48 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Alamo-Girl; VadeRetro; js1138
I know y'all didn’t ask me, but I’ve pondered at length on the subject of why creation includes good and evil

Yes, I believe you have analyzed it correctly as a component of free will. The reference from Isaiah also gives the reason.

That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that [there is] none beside me. I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else.

4,153 posted on 07/18/2003 8:08:18 AM PDT by AndrewC
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