Thank you so much for your posts! For anyone still Lurking on this discussion, the Stephanus 1550 version, root form of Greek, of John 1:3 is:
pas ginomai dia autos kai choris autos ginomai oude heis ginomai hos ginomai All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
For anyone interested in downloading the various Greek sources: Greek New Testament Editions For online searches I use the Blue Letter Bible, which describes the Greek as follows:
Blue Letter Bible The Authorized Version of 1611 (King James Version) utilizes the Textus Receptus ("Received Text") as the basis for the Greek New Testament. The Textus Receptus is based upon various Greek texts as well as some influence by the Latin Vulgate. The earliest work being prepared by Desiderius Erasmus, revised by Robert Estienne (better known as Stephanus), and further revised by Theodore Beza. The text produced by each, is substantially the same, there are some variations between their various editions.
The Blue Letter Bible utilizes the Stephanus 1550 edition.
When the issue first came up, I read the following (along with the Greek) and found no substantive differences:
Amplified Bible
King James Bible
Rheims Bible
New American Standard Bible
New American Bible
New International Version
New Revised Standard Version
Now, having said all of that, I again emphasize that my eyes read the Bible but the Spirit within me reads the Word. The issue raised goes to the diety of Jesus Christ and I cannot speak hypothetically about someone I have known personally for decades. The testimony of the Word to my Spirit is confirmed in the above texts.
Oh, forgot to mention, I don't see any point in arguing about this anymore. I was wondering where ya'll were coming from, and I think I've figured out where to learn more about it, and I don't see any point in arguing about it anymore. To you, it's an article of faith, to me, it's heresy, and that's the way it goes. Otherwise we'll be in one of those "is" "is not" thingies that never go anywhere.
I do agree with you that there is no point in discussing this any further.
"All things were made by Him" is NOT in the New American Bible, which I quoted to scripter, verbatim. Probably should have pinged you.
1 2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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He was in the beginning with God.
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3 All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be. What came to be
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through him was life, and this life was the light of the human race;
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4 the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/943130/posts?page=3859#3859 "Made by" and "came to be through" are completely different things.