Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]

Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

[VadeRetro]

Stayed at Kaanapali Beach, Christmas, 1980. Big waves breaking right on the beach kept spearing me into the sand when I tried to body surf. I got out and sat watching. Turns out waves were also knocking the tops off of the women's bikinis. Sat out there so long I got a sunburn.

[Right Wing Professor]

Oh, that was mild. Look at some of these gems.

Don't stub your toe on any hydrogen on the way home, now! And watch for those Hyracotheriums!

[goodseedhomeschool]

WOW I envy you. It must be great to live there. :)

[goodseedhomeschool]

Amen brother :)

[RightWhale]

Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links. Definitions can be anything, and items are things, not concepts, so aren't susceptible to proof, but just definition. Viruses meet the definition of life according to some authorities, and do not according to others: whether viruses are living or not affects nothing.

[NewLand]

I clicked...all I can say is BAM!

Check out this quote from George Washington...
"It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible."

We could always add..."Unless you are a liberal".

George Washington...Hero, Founding Father, Creo!

[goodseedhomeschool]

I missed the show today. Fill me in on the highlights please :)

[jennyp]

If you don't want to read AiG's response to Hovind, you at least need to read their conclusion:

Unfortunately, Kent Hovind’s document repeatedly misrepresents or misunderstands not only our article, but the issues themselves. Our article was not aimed at any individual, but we plead with all creationist ‘lone wolf’ popularizers to familiarize themselves with the immense amount of good science being done by qualified (though fallible) creationist researchers, most of them not even associated with our own ministry. These are people who have shown that they are willing to be corrected, and to interact with their critics formally in peer-reviewed fashion.

We plead for all of us to swallow pride and, without sacrificing independence of thought and originality, be prepared to submit to the rigors of peer review and to the thoroughly Biblical process of ‘iron sharpening iron’. That would be real ‘working together’, not some artificial unity in which scientifically trained creationists (i.e. Bible-believing scientists) are supposed to smile sweetly while plainly wrong and even fraudulent claims are being promoted in the name of ‘Creationism’.

Such a process, recognizing the fallibility of all of us, would also delineate more clearly such things as the burden of proof in regard to various claims, and would help separate ‘shaky, flaky’ theories from reasonable speculations—i.e., legitimate hypotheses which seek to be constrained by Scripture, fact, and the faculties of rational thought with which our Creator has endowed us.

[goodseedhomeschool]

Been there done that. You know that. We went through this whole thing before. AIG has motives of their own and I can say no more about it. You should know that AIG is NOT THE END ALL on this topic. Not by a loooong shot.

[f.Christian]

The evos actually believe after the birth of darwin all history and science in the past and future was being chanelled through their minds (( the eye on the pyramid is proof )) ... something like the evo masons --- illuninazis !

[Dimensio]

Actually, Hovind is laughed at because he's been thorougly discredited.

[atlaw]

Curiously myopic, isn't it? (And looking back at my post, I think I have you beat on the title of world's worst speller. Must be some kind of natural selection process. Those who write for a living mutate the language to invent new concepts. Yeah, that's it.)

[CobaltBlue]

OK, here is a link to all publishers with textbooks pending review before Texas this year.

The following have biology books pending:

Bedford, Freeman & Worth Publishing Group - AP Biology: Life:  The Science of Biology.

CEV Multimedia, Ltd. - Biology: Biology, Hard Drive (HD); Biology, Website (WS); Biology, Curriculum Caddy (CC).

Glencoe/McGraw-Hill, a division of the McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc. - AP Biology, High School- Biology (Raven, Johnson), AP Biology, High School- Biology (Mader), Biology, Grades 9-12- Biology: The Dynamics of Life, Texas Edition

Holt Rinehart and Winston, a division of Harcourt, Inc. - Biology, Grades 9-12- Holt Biology, Texas Edition

J. M. LeBel Publishers - Biology, Grades 9-12- Biology

Kendall/Hunt Publishing Company - Biology, Grades 9-12- BSCS Biology: A Human Approach, 2E Biology, Grades 9-12- BSCS Biology: An Ecological Approach, 9E

Pearson Education, Inc., Publishing as Prentice Hall- AP Biology, High School- Biology Biology, Grades 9-12- Prentice Hall Biology (Texas Edition)

Thomson Learning/Wadsworth- AP Biology, High School - Biology: The Unity and Diversity of Life, 10E

http://www.tea.state.tx.us/textbooks/publishers/proc2001/2003publishers.html

[JesseShurun]

JesseDuke placekicker

YEE HAW!

[goodseedhomeschool]

He is only "laughed at" by those who cannot out debate him. Enough said.

[CobaltBlue]

>>Those things only have meaning or occur in a living cell.<<

Do you know the meaning of tautology?

[VadeRetro]

Suppose when we get to heaven God [.....] gives you an eyeball that is capable of seeing all the frequencies on the [electromagnetic] spectrum. That means that you would be able to see the radio waves going through the air as a color. Also, you would be able to see the sounds that come from a piano.

There are ordinary levels of cluelessness, and then there's Hovind. A man outstanding in his field (and probably wondering where the party is).

[js1138]

We ought to start a new thread using this page as the text.

[Dimensio]

Check out this quote from George Washington...
"It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible."

I've heard that this is a bogus quote (even David Barton, the man who originally started circulating it, has admitted that he doesn't have a source). Do you have any info on when Washington actually said this?

[ALS]

Check out this quote from George Washington...
"It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible."

a quote as relevant, if not more so, today than ever.

GOD Bless America