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Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]
Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

Posted on 07/09/2003 12:08:32 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: RightWingNilla
HEY 4000!
4,001 posted on 07/17/2003 3:43:31 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: VadeRetro
Would a theist truly be satisfied with an argument which meekly asserted "well . . . the Almighty is at least responsible for the flagellum of a bacterium?"

Ahem, what about the Platypus?

4,002 posted on 07/17/2003 3:46:53 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: Right Wing Professor
Hate to repeat myself, but what assumptions does a 9 month old baby make?

I wouldn't know - probably, 'I cry, make mama come.' Maybe 'what instincts does a 9 month old have' is the better question, since 'making assumptions' might give you the idea that I think 9 month olds are sitting around thinking through everything they do with articulated rationality. Your original phrasing, though, was:

When you were 9 months old, and noticed that when you cried, your mother appeared almost immediately, what was the philosophical basis of your actions?

Are you re-asking because you think 9 month olds don't have any assumptions or instincts about anything at all? Is there an infinite regress of observations?

4,003 posted on 07/17/2003 3:55:30 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: Junior
Dunno why, but your posts put me in mind of Jethro Tull's Aqualung.

We have already established that f.c. is a BTO fan.

4,004 posted on 07/17/2003 3:57:04 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: Right Wing Professor
>>it must make it hard to be a lawyer<<

For me looking at the Constitution is probably a lot like what Radio Astronomer experiences when he looks at the night sky, only when I see the complexity, I also see the living, breathing people who made it so.

When I was in college, and even more so when I was in law school, I used to wonder about the people behind the cases and read backwards through the appeals to see what the case was all about, and read legal history to find out what happened to them.

My law professors would laugh at me because the cases were supposed to stand for principles, and the people were not important. After first year, I quit letting people know my proclivities. I think not caring about the people is the reason they are professors, for what it's worth.

Some really good history has been written about legal cases. For example, Gideon's Trumpet, about Gideon vs. Wainwright (Indigent's right to appointed counsel, a great book and an excellent movie starring Henry Fonda as Gideon). Scottsboro, a great book about the Scottsboro boys (tough slogging unless the topic really fascinates you). Amistad was a wonderful movie, although I have read that it wasn't all that historically accurate. It seemed consistent with the legal case, anyway.

To me, Dred Scott isn't just a name. Neither is Brown of Brown vs. Board of Education fame. Neither is Milligan of Ex parte Milligan. Neither is Korematsu. I know the entire history of the Bank of the United States, both of them, and the roles of Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, Justice Marshall, Andrew Jackson and Justice Taney. I could go on but you get the point. Constitutional law has involved hard fought battles between real men and women made of real flesh and blood over matters of life and death from the beginning.

To say you can pick up the Constitution and understand it just by reading it is as charming as a child insisting that Polaris is always the North Star and the moon is made of green cheese.

Wouldn't it be pretty to think so?

4,005 posted on 07/17/2003 4:02:29 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Never voted for a Democrat in my life.)
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To: CobaltBlue; All
what do you see when you read this?

To: VadeRetro

Would a theist truly be satisfied with an argument which meekly asserted "well . . . the Almighty is at least responsible for the flagellum of a bacterium?"

God of dysentery?

3,890 posted on 07/17/2003 2:16 PM CDT by js1138

4,006 posted on 07/17/2003 4:05:12 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
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To: MitchellC
>>You're correct that anyone who disagrees with certain necessary elements of government has no real right to not pay his or her taxes to fund those elements. That's because he or she is wrong, though, and he or she disagrees with the values that this country was founded on.<<

This country wasn't founded on the principle that the federal government should build interstate highways, but it does, anyway, and we pay taxes for that, anyway.

Nor was it founded on the principle that the federal government would have a space program nor an internet, but it does, anyway, and we pay taxes for it, anyway.

Nor was it founded on the principle that we would provide foreign aid to foreign countries like Israel, Egypt, Colombia, etc., but it does and we pay.

I could go on and on.

Founding values don't have any relevance to taxes, as far as I can tell.
4,007 posted on 07/17/2003 4:10:20 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Never voted for a Democrat in my life.)
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To: CobaltBlue; RadioAstronomer; Aric2000
This may interest you.

Informational Properties

The hologram exhibits some very profound properties beyond the three-dimensional image. In fact, it is one of the most profound means to distribute information throughout a given media. All of the information it contains is distributed over the entire image surface. One can remove a portion of the hologram without losing the image! Drill a hole in the hologram, and one can still view the entire object by simply moving one's eye to a more convenient angle (some resolution, or sharpness, will be lost however). Cut the film into pieces, and each piece contains the complete image.

An engineer who is designing a communication system in anticipation of hostile jamming, or other countermeasures, needs to employ several critical techniques to be effective. In addition to taking advantage of available error detection and correction techniques, he will also attempt to spread his message throughout the available bandwidth. He will avoid clustering his message into areas which would increase his vulnerability to jamming or interference.

It is provocative to notice that the Biblical text evidences these same techniques. Where is the chapter on baptism? Or salvation? Or any specific critical doctrine? Every major theme is spread throughout the 66 books making up the total message. There is no concentration of any critical element in any single location. One can tear out a surprising number of pages and still not lose visibility of the essential message. (Some resolution or clarity would be lost, however.) This design intent of distributing the vital elements throughout the entire message system is even highlighted by Isaiah:

Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isaiah 28:9,10

(snip)

The holographic paradigm thus seems to give us a glimpse into the interconnected relationships of the human mind (reviewed last month), and even the very nature of physical reality itself ... also appears to leave its imprint within the Word of God itself. This would appear to be a subtle, but significant, fingerprint of the Author of it all.

Complete Article here

4,008 posted on 07/17/2003 4:20:51 PM PDT by bondserv (Alignment is critical.)
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To: CobaltBlue
suddenly wishing you weren't a theist?
4,009 posted on 07/17/2003 4:21:31 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
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To: ALS
chameleon weasel placemaker !

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Pronunciation: k&-'mEl-y&n
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English camelion, from Middle French, from Latin chamaeleon, from Greek chamaileOn, from chamai on the ground + leOn lion -- more at HUMBLE
Date: 14th century
1 : any of a family (Chamaeleontidae) of chiefly arboreal Old World lizards with prehensile tail, independently movable eyeballs, and unusual ability to change the color of the skin
2 a : a person given to often expedient or facile change in ideas or character b : one that is subject to quick or frequent change especially in appearance
3 : AMERICAN CHAMELEON
- cha·me·le·on·ic /-"mE-lE-'ä-nik/ adjective
- cha·me·leon·like /-"lIk/ adjective

Main Entry: 2weasel
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): wea·seled; wea·sel·ing /'wEz-li[ng], 'wE-z&-/
Etymology: weasel word
Date: 1900
1 : to use weasel words : EQUIVOCATE
2 : to escape from or evade a situation or obligation -- often used with out
4,010 posted on 07/17/2003 4:29:20 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: All

The Hour of the Trolls is once more upon us.
Virtual Ignore is the only solution!!

4,011 posted on 07/17/2003 4:29:20 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Idiots are on "virtual ignore," and you know exactly who you are.)
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To: CobaltBlue; RadioAstronomer; Aric2000
Another significant (snip)

A Biblical Analogy

When one examines a hologram in natural (uncollimated, noncoherent) light, it has no apparent form nor attractiveness. However, when one examines it with the laser with which it was formulated, a three-dimensional image appears. When one examines the Bible in unaided, natural light, it "has no form nor comeliness that we should desire it."3 But when we examine it illuminated by the Light that created it, the Spirit of God that put it all together in the first place, we see an image: the image of the One that every detail in it illuminates, the promised Messiah Himself.

From Genesis to Revelation, God's program for the redemption of mankind is carefully distributed throughout 66 books,4 penned by more than 40 different individuals spanning several thousand years! And, indeed, this abused collection has survived the jamming and interference of its enemies over many centuries without material damage!

(However, if we illuminate the hologram with a laser of a different frequency, it will yield a false or distorted image. So, too, the Scripture!)

Article

4,012 posted on 07/17/2003 4:29:48 PM PDT by bondserv (Alignment is critical.)
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To: CobaltBlue
About values having relevence to taxes - they do in the sense of whether or not the programs those taxes fund are in line with those values. About your examples - what is the relevence of these - to say that they are justified by their existence?

I propose that people who completely disagree with the foundational values become intellectually honest and do one of the following three things:

1.) they propose that the U.S. Constitution is scrapped and we start all over, perhaps creating a new constitution based on their own set of values,

2.) they completely divorce themselves from all involvement in government and politics, especially holding office and voting,

3.) they relocate to a place where their values are more consistently applied, such as Cuba or North Korea.

4,013 posted on 07/17/2003 4:33:04 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: PatrickHenry
The Hour of the Trolls is once more upon us. Virtual Ignore is the only solution!!

Or inane stellar motion posts few will read ping!

4,014 posted on 07/17/2003 4:34:17 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
evo triffid invasion placemaker !
4,015 posted on 07/17/2003 4:35:47 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: RadioAstronomer
... inane stellar motion posts few will read ...

I'm one of the few. Keep posting them.

4,016 posted on 07/17/2003 4:36:44 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Idiots are on "virtual ignore," and you know exactly who you are.)
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To: PatrickHenry
chiefly arboreal Old World lizards with prehensile tail, independently movable eyeballs, and unusual ability to change the color of the skin placemaker !
4,017 posted on 07/17/2003 4:39:13 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: CobaltBlue
to escape from or evade a situation or obligation placemaker !
4,018 posted on 07/17/2003 4:41:02 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: PatrickHenry
I'm one of the few. Keep posting them.

Whoohooo! :-)

Deal!

4,019 posted on 07/17/2003 4:41:53 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: bondserv
Don't you find it strange that the article praises the Bible for its spread-spectrum resiliency against deterioration of the message, and at the same time warns you that you must use precisely the correct frequency (so to speak) to read it or else its message will be "false or distorted"?

I sense a design flaw there...

4,020 posted on 07/17/2003 4:42:06 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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