Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]

Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

[PatrickHenry]

P L A C E M A R K E R after the night of the living trolls.

[f.Christian]

troll gulag master placemaker !

[ALS]

tick tock

[gore3000]

Your entire post does not contradict anything. My post had the author of this lie discussing, what others at one time or another said, is irrelevant. YOu are just going around the internet looking for something to contradict the real discussion.

Neither the chimp's nor the guinea pig's genome has been sequenced as of yet. The statements about the mutation in either are totally made up like almost everything in TO. Let's see a real article, from a real legitimate source showing that this so called mutation is in the exact same place in man and chimp and different in the guinea pig. You will not find it because the whole thing was a lie from the start.

[conservababeJen]

[language made more definite -- "are necessary" replacing "if not indispensable ... at least highly beneficial" -- and details of such experiments were added here in 6th Edition]

Please show me "such experiment" in the first edition because I fail to see it. I see an assertion WITHOUT a supporting experiment.

Methinks that YOU are the "shameless little liar" here. (since were back to name calling) *sigh*

[whattajoke]

Hang in there... it's almost 9AM ET, which means the usual gang of shameless creationoids will be leaving.

How anyone can boldly profess that Charles Darwin was not a scientist of any merit is beyond my comprehension.

[HalfFull]

Thanks for that post...interesting reading....

[HalfFull]

The socalled order came from our human ancestors imaginations.

I know you folks in the Church of Evolution love the Big Bang/Expanding Universe theory, but there are other possible explanations for what appears to be movement of the stars. Perhaps in past years there have been FR threads on this subject....wouldn't be surprised. Smarter folks then me, like Setterfield and others, have written extensively on some of this stuff..

Anyway, another explanation of what we think we see is the C-R theory. Here are a couple (link1 and link2) of links for your reading pleasure.

I just love God's orderly Universe...yes i do....

(Won't be able to respond to any posts until this weekend...duty calls) .

[whattajoke]

I just love God's orderly Universe...yes i do....

...which of course brings up the old, "I just love how there's the perfect amount of water in that puddle!" and "I love how my legs are the perfect length to reach the ground!"

[Junior]

An "I have just enough letters for this" placemarker.

[HalfFull]

Happy for you jokeperson...good luck proving that big bang theory, now. I'm sure your side will gleefully agree with each other while I'm away.

[VadeRetro]

Funny, nothing back to you from gore. Well, nothing unusual. When caught out, he runs. When trapped, he spews funny colors and calls everyone slimers.

One thing you can count on, he'll be back again dumb as a stump saying all the same old stuff. Another thing you can count on, the Witch Doctor crowd will still be pretending he kicks butt.

[HalfFull]

A I wasn't there when God laid the foundations of the Universe placemarker (and neither were you)

[js1138]

Ok, fraud does not matter to evolutionists, it is normal stuff for you guys.

So we can quit picking on you for your fraudulent Stephen Gould bibliography? Is that what you want?

[js1138]

WOW, now that we got thru all of that, we see that the stellar positions and our relationships to them vary over the centuries.

Maybe they wouldn't wander off so much if we got them fixed.

[Stultis]

Methinks that YOU are the "shameless little liar" here. (since were back to name calling) *sigh*

Since you lied. And now since you fail to own up to lying, or even to inadvertent error. Pathetic. (And don't play that "sighing over name calling" game, in your very next post after slinging "liar" at authors of substantive critiques of Wells.)

But let us overcome our revulsion (or pity) at your behavior and review:

You asked for ONE example of an experiment in The Origin of Species. I provided several.

I used the 6th (final) edition of The Origin, rather than the 1st, as my source for no particular reason, although it is the one normally reprinted in modern editions.

You replied (emphasis added):

Interesting that you had to go to the 6th edition to find something that was an experiment. They do not appear in the first which I checked (and am sure you did too).

I did not find "something," as in singular, I found several things, as you acknowledge with the plural "they". You said "they" didn't appear in the 1st edition, which is not true. Furthermore you said you checked this, so you knew it wasn't true, and therefore you lied (or lied about checking).

And now, simply because you are too much of an [*expletive deleted*] to say, "oops, I made a mistake," you make an issue of the trivial difference, that I pointed out to you, of Darwin adding a smattering of data in the 6th edition for one set of experiments (red clover fertilization) alluded to without the data in the 1st edition.

PLEASE! We all know damned good and well you didn't find this single substantive difference prior to my flagging it, even if you "checked". We all know that this was never the basis for your, "they do not appear". We all know that was a lie, with no basis.

Quibbling over this single difference, where Darwin tossed in a bit of data in a later edition, does not address "they," the multiple examples I provided (among many others I could have chosen). But quibble you must, and stack one lie on top of another you must, all because it is unthinkable that gore3000, Great Champion of GOD, Evo Slayer, might have made a human error, jumped to a conclusion, or just been wrong about anything.

The result: You are a clown, a buffoon, and everybody here (and I don't mean just the "evos") knows it.

You're a smart person, gore. You don't need to be a pathetic laughing stock. You can keep all your beliefs and defend them much more honorably and ably. You can turn this all around just by learning three little words: "I was wrong."

[Stultis]

Ooops. Now I get to say it: I was wrong not to read the "from" line. I thought I was replying to gore3000, but it was actually conservababeJen. Apologies to Jen.

I shoulda known it was a syncophant. As Vade observes, having been caught out it's time for gore3000 to go into "pretend it didn't happen" mode. He is not apt to reply himself, but I stand by what I said to him (even though it wasn't him).

[PatrickHenry]

One thing you can count on, he'll be back again dumb as a stump saying all the same old stuff. Another thing you can count on, the Witch Doctor crowd will still be pretending he kicks butt.

What you (in your hopeless pagan depravity) simply cannot grasp, is that when one is in full possession of -- flourish of trumpets -- The Truth, and engaged in debate with Evil, one simply cannot lie.

[VadeRetro]

Gore's lying is beyond shameless. It's long since entered the realm of the pitiful.

Furthermore, it's easily and often demonstrated. For all that, his beleagured band of fellow warriors happily salute him as one of their foremost. I used to think he was pulling them all down. I guess he was, until ALS and ConservobabeJen showed up.

[Condorman]

The amount of “squishing” (LOL now that’s a scientific term) of an ellipse is called its eccentricity.

Wildly squishy placemarker