Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]

Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

[BMCDA]

Yepp, I think that's the one I had in mind.

[VadeRetro]

That one really needed an Andrea Marcovicci nude scene. Would have saved the movie.

[longshadow]

smutty bacteria placemarker

[whattajoke]

we could do this all day and night... but it's only because we're hell-bound atheists. If we were honest to goodness REAL christians, we'd understand what the bible/god/jesus/ apostles REALLY meant.

[bondserv]

You are aware the genealogy in Matthew is for Joseph and the genealogy in Luke is for Mary. Heli was the father of Mary.

Luke 3:23
23And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

Matthew is the Gospel to the Jews speaking of His royalty by legal adoption by Joseph through Solomon to David; Luke is the Gospel to the Greeks speaking of his humanity by Mary through Nathan to David.

One other interesting note for you is that speaking of Jeconiah in:
Jer 22:30
Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

God pronounces a blood curse on the line from David to Joseph through Solomon (the royal line). Jesus circumvented this curse by being in the line of David by blood through David’s son Nathan, but Jesus was still of the royal line by adoption through Joseph, sans the blood curse.

Thank you!

[Dan(9698)]

>>>...There was no "before" the Big Bang, as time did not exist.

How did all the stuff get together to make the Big Bang?

Wouldn't that take at least a little time? Believeing in the Big Bang is also an excercise in faith.

There is evidence to support it. Believeing in what it means is an act of faith.

[Junior]

You'd have to ask Physicist. From what I understand, the universe is a stable fluctuation (much like zero-point energy) in an underlying chaos. I can picture it and I can understand it; I, however, cannot communicate the concept.

[whattajoke]

"Blood curses?!" wow... maybe I'm not giving this whole christianity thing its just due.

Did this blood curse in the royal line continue all the way through the famous hemophiliacs of British royalty?

Do loving gods often place blood curses on innoncent unborn lineages?

Ever curious...

[BMCDA]

we could do this all day and night... but it's only because we're hell-bound atheists. If we were honest to goodness REAL christians, we'd understand what the bible/god/jesus/ apostles REALLY meant.

LOL!! Guess it's our hatred towards the One True God - uh... I mean the ca. 2700 True Gods that's blinding us.
Aaaahh, so much hate, so little time...

[exmarine]

Just as well. Before Kansas reversed itself, we were considering refusing to accept biology credits from any school system that taught creationism. There no reason why a science department should accept pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo from fundamentalist religious fanatics, any more than we should accept the prohibition on usury in the Koran as a valid form of economics, or Vedic astrology as a branch of science.

But you don't mind pushing your religion on our kids against the will of parents do you? It's called atheism. think you should read the U.S. Constitution before I mistake you for a communist tyrant. This statement of yours smacks of tyranny. What country do you think this is - Cuba? You and the elitist tyrants who run the govt schools think you own our kids and you can teach them what you want, when you want, no matter what parents think. You don't own my kids and you have NOTHING to say about their education. Got it Fidel? I'm here to tell you that you can't have my kids. Anyone with any sense will pull their kids out of the govt schools now and forever. Take your dictatorship back to North Korea.

[Junior]

Thanks. God gave me a brain. I believe He expects me to use it. The creationists love to pick at evolution, claiming (because they have barely a layman's grasp of the subject) that it is full of holes. However, when blatant contradictions are pointed out in Scripture they scream "anti-Christian" (even if it is a Christian pointing the problems out). BTW, I was right about being pointed to theological arguments claiming there is no contradiction, but the arguments are basically obfuscating rather than enlightening. A bit like putting a fresh coat of paint on a dirty wall...

[BMCDA]

That one really needed an Andrea Marcovicci nude scene. Would have saved the movie.

Aye, and it would have kept me from falling asleep ;-D

[exmarine]

9 year olds are expected to think for themselves these days, maybe choose woodwind, brass, or strings, and they don't care what the state wants, or what their parents want for that matter. It's a little young for any of this; at 9 they should be learning to read and do arithmetic. 12 years old is functional decision age for most. Anyway, I'm concerned with the U, where no one wants any Creationism, they all want the current state of the art.

Nice try but this is laughable. First of all, you decide nothing for my kids education - I do. Second, how much did you know as a 9 year old? NOTHING. Nine year olds MUST have guidance to make the correct decisions and I don't want people like you making those decisions for my kid. It's this mentality that gave us the right to an abortion for a 13-year-old WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT. I think you should let this drop before I embarrass you.

[exmarine]

You are basically saying that creationism is science, when you know for a fact that it's not.

Tell that to Isaac Newton, Copernicus and Galileo - ALL of whom believed in creationism.

[restornu]

"This is by no means "exposing" a fellow freeper's personal life at all. Goodseed has posted her link on other threads here, and it's obvious she's proud of her family. And thankfully, she has no mentions of Saturn"

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"not sure what Saturn has to do with anything, personal hitpiece to affect poster's ability to understand something, I guess. Your guess is as good as mine "

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http://www.he.net/

http://saturn.he.net/~danger


who is goodseedhomeschool that accout was suppend.


I am confused what is this inside joke about Saturn when it is on Stultis photo?

http://saturn.he.net/~danger/freepnet/album/pictures/Stultis.jpg

Just like to figure out riddles!

[Junior]

Joachim was Mary's father, and Anne was her mother.

St. Anne, the spouse of Joachim, was the Mother of Our Lady and the grandmother of Our Lord. The devotion to St. Anne has increased very much in the whole Church. She is much venerated as the Patron of Brittany.

[RightWhale]

the universe is a stable fluctuation (much like zero-point energy) in an underlying chaos.

No wonder you're confused. It's a fluctuating chaos in a hierarchical stability. Everything should jell now.

[qam1]

I am sorry I got to disagree because they don't mention Mary and they both end up at Joseph. Unless Joseph and Mary were Half brother and sister (which besides with Abraham is a big no-no) the bible goofed.

Matthew 1:16
And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Luke 3:23
And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

Actually according to Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel,

Why is Jesus called Jesus instead of Emmanuel?

[RightWhale]

you should let this drop before I embarrass you

If the 9 year old is going to become a scientist, he will need these concepts eventually, although not until grad school. If he isn't going to be a scientist, it doesn't matter at all.

[balrog666]

Aaaahh, so much hate, so little time...

Alas...