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To: RightWingNilla
Perhaps hearing the man rather than always trying to discredit his credentials would be nice. As a homeschooler, many of our kids are "unaccredited" according to secular standards, but we seem to be performing higher than most public schoolers. What does that say about credentials? Just my thoughts.
1,046 posted on 06/24/2003 9:56:53 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool (Jesus Loves us all!)
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To: goodseedhomeschool
As a homeschooler, many of our kids are "unaccredited" according to secular standards

Point taken insofar as we are talking about a general education.

But there comes a point where you have to spend years of intense study from the experts in the particular subject area in order to progress (especially in the "hard sciences").

Would you feel comfortable with a homeschooled surgeon?

1,052 posted on 06/24/2003 10:09:42 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: goodseedhomeschool

Madame, when it comes time for your child to write his or her doctoral thesis, odds are he or she will do a right proper job of it. "Dr." Hovind's doctoral thesis reads like an unedited book report submitted by a high school jock who wasn't paying attention during the lectures. It is full of grammatical and spelling errors, it veers from the topic at hand, and it contains no new research.

Indeed, no new research is carried out by any creationist organizations, and for a very good reason, as pointed out by Lenny Frank in his "Who Are the Creation Scientists?"   I've included the link so that you and others who are interested can ascertain for yourselves the accuracy of the snipped quotes; whenever I redact material I use ellipses (...).  Any ellipses found within the quotation below, however, are the author's.

The creationist movement also does not like to talk about the scientists who leave after being given the opportunity to do real field research. In 1957, the Geoscience Research Institute was formed in order to search for evidence of Noah's Flood in the geological record. The project fell apart when both of the creationists involved with the project, P. Edgar Hare and Richard Ritland, completed their field research with the conclusion that fossils were much older than allowed under the creationist assertions, and that no geological or paleontological evidence of any sort could be found to indicate the occurrence of a world-wide flood. (Numbers, 1992, pp 291-293) Hare concluded, "We have been taught for years that almost everything in the geological record is the result of the Flood. I've seen enough in the field to realize that quite substantial portions of the geologic record are not the direct result of the Flood. We have also been led to believe . . . that the evidence for the extreme age of the earth is extremely tenuous and really not worthy of any credence at all. I have tried to make a rather careful study of this evidence over the past several years, and I feel that the evidence is not ambiguous but that it is just as clear as the evidence that the earth is round." (cited in Numbers, 1992, p. 294) Ritland, for his part, pointed out that Morris's book The Genesis Flood contained "flagrant errors which the uninitiated person is scarcely able to detect". (cited in Numbers, 1992, p. 294) Ritland concluded that further attempts to justify Flood geology would "only bring embarrassment and discredit to the cause of God". (cited in Numbers, 1992, p. 293)

A few years later, creationist biologists Carl Krekeler and William Bloom, who taught creationist biology at the Lutheran Church's Valparaiso University in Indiana, left after concluding that a literal interpretation of Genesis was not supported by any of the available scientific evidence. Krekeler concluded, "The documentation, not only of changes within a lineage such as horses, but of transitions between the classes of vertebrates-- particularly the details of the transition between reptiles and mammals--forced me to abandon thinking of evolution as occurring only within 'kinds'. " (cited in Numbers, 1992, p. 302) Krekeler also criticized the creationist movement for the "dozens of places where half-truths are spoken, where quotations supporting the authors' views are taken from the context of books representing contrary views, and where there is misrepresentation." (cited in Numbers, 1992, p. 303) The two became theistic evolutionists, and later wrote a biology textbook which accepted evolutionary theory.

Perhaps as a result of these defections, the creationist movement no longer finances or carries out any field research of any sort. Its sole method of "scientific research" consists of combing through the published works of evolutionary mechanism theorists to look for quotations which can be pulled out of context and used to bolster creationist beliefs.


1,091 posted on 06/25/2003 3:37:34 AM PDT by Junior ("Eat recycled food. It's good for the environment and okay for you...")
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To: goodseedhomeschool
Perhaps hearing the man rather than always trying to discredit his credentials would be nice.

I think if you read the stuff at AIG you will find that they discuss what he has to say rather than his credentials.

1,097 posted on 06/25/2003 7:34:26 AM PDT by js1138
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