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To: Aric2000
"we"

You keep spewing like you're a scientist.
You aren't, so get off that rag mop pony.

You fear alternative theories. Evolutionists don't even like scientific criticism of evolution taught in schools, eventhough the criticism is brought forth by fellow scientists.

If your crap theory is so true, what's to fear?

Let the total evidence be the judge. If we wanted totalitarinism to reign free in our schools we'd all be voting for Swillary in 2004.
10 posted on 06/22/2003 5:51:56 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.conservababes.com)
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To: ALS
Alan I. Leshner is CEO of the American Association for the Advancement of Science and executive publisher of the journal Science; www.aaas.org


Tell that to him... HE wrote the article, I just posted it.

What? You think I wrote this article or something?

Talk about desperate....
15 posted on 06/22/2003 5:55:38 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: ALS
If your crap theory is so true, what's to fear? Let the total evidence be the judge.

No problem. Just get your alternatives through peer review before mandating that they be taught in class. We have to have some standards for education, you know.

18 posted on 06/22/2003 5:56:39 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: ALS
At least be honest ALS. ID "Theory" is just backdoor christianity. It wasn't like 5 people came together, realized a truth, and it became ID. The Universe may be intelligently designed. It needs to be scientifically investigated dispassionately first, not taught in the school rooms.

This equal time argument is a joke. Unless you propose that we give equal time to flat earthers every time a math class discusses the circumfrence of the globe.

If somebody proposed that the universe is chaotic, and eratic because God does exist, he just isn't a very talented designer, but he is a semi competent nincompoop, would you like that to be given "equal time" in schools?

You are a literalist christian. Bully for you. Until God allows himself to be proven scientifically, you can discuss him at church, at home, with friends, but not as the teacher of a science course at a public school.

25 posted on 06/22/2003 6:00:30 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: ALS
Lies always fear the truth. Lies always need lies to further themselves.
150 posted on 06/22/2003 7:19:13 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: ALS
You fear alternative theories. Evolutionists don't even like scientific criticism of evolution taught in schools, eventhough the criticism is brought forth by fellow scientists.

Apparently this will shock you but apart from senior level or post-graduate symposia and the like, there is essentially no important or significant scientific debate, criticism or testing and formulation of theories going on in classrooms.

Even if you cram creationism into the highschool curricula by means of popular or political pressure, that doesn't do one thing to make it part of science. It is what working scientists engaged in original and ongoing research DO (and not, btw, what they "believe") and the theories and principles their research implicates, tests or advances, that determines the content of science.

The myopic focus of creationist and IDers on school curricula is actually adequate evidence, even without examining the doctrines themselves, that this stuff is not science, and has no potential to prevail on merit in the marketplace of scientific ideas. Its even evidence that, at some psychological level, creationists themselves don't believe that their ideas are genuinely scientific. If they did they would never take this approach. The attempt to make an end run around the process of scientific review can only discredit their ideas among the scientists they should be trying to convince.

Also, no scientist who really believed their unconvential theory had merit or potential would take, or even willingly permit, the curricula based approach to the issue that creationists and IDers have adopted. After all, if a scientist really believes they have a better idea, they're not out for some namby-pamby, relativistic, let's-try-really-hard-to-be-inclusive-and-not-upset-anyone-by-teaching-something-that-might-offend-their-cultural-sensibilities, equal time, balanced treatment bu!!sh!t. A real scientist wants to falsify theories that are wrong or inadequate, and to replace them with better ones.

494 posted on 06/22/2003 11:12:21 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: ALS
Do you know of any specific scientific evidence that we were indeed intelligently designed?

Don't get me wrong, I think intelligent design is a fascinating hyposthesis, and it sounds more plausible than the idea that we evolved randomly, but I'm not sure that the inherent complexity of living things is enough to make intelligent design an actual theory.

529 posted on 06/23/2003 5:39:43 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (There be no shelter here; the front line is everywhere!)
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To: ALS
I am a scientist and I agree with Aric2000. Given some scientific evidence for ID I would have no problem with it being taught but since ID is thinly disguised religious dogma it has no place in a science class.
546 posted on 06/23/2003 8:49:34 AM PDT by Sentis
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