Genetic Changes In Mice 'Question Evolution Speed'

Ananova ^ | 5-21-2003

[Aric2000]

It is called science, you have heard of it right?

A scientific piece of evidence must be A: verifiable, B: repeatable, and C: falsifiable.

To say that Goddidit, would not be ANY of these things.

Science does not claim there is a god, nor claims there isn't one.

That is why it is called science, it is neutral on god.

Now if you wish to talk of something that asks that question, perhaps you should study philosophy.

Because it is obvious that science is beyond your comprehension, being the fanatical christian that you are.

And that is not a put down to christians or any others here, it is aimed soley at G3K.

[ALS]

"I assert that evolution does not deny the possibility of divine intervention at any stage, even if it does not explicitly assert it as a possiblity."

You sound like just another closet creationist using evoluncy as a means to defeat your conscious and satiate peer pressure.

Now that you've outed yourself, come away from the dark side....

[Aric2000]

Oh, he has thousands of them....

[Aric2000]

SEE?

[ALS]

"Did I say that or did you just spin Darwin's own title to his book?"

Sooo, before there's a "species" there is life, but afterwards it's just a species, sans life?

Do you realize how silly you sound trying to escape the obvious?

[Aric2000]

yeah there ya go G3K.

We argued with you EVERY thread, proved boyond a doubt that you are clueless, then you start all over again on a different thread.

If you think that we are going to waste our time rearguing the same old garbage with you, then you're nuts, but actually I think that is what you are counting on, isn't is G3K?

We can only correct you so many times before we decide that you are a charlatan and a liar, And not here to debate but to toss your lies and false evidence into the mix for lurkers, and you have become something to be ignored, not dealt with.

[Aric2000]

Are you back on that kick again?

Dimensio, once he has your attention, he does this exact thing, this is a pattern he follows, and as you correct him, he will call you names, tell you that you are an idiot and don't have a clue, etc, etc, of course he HAS nothing that shows that evolution says it explains the origins of life, because it doesn't.

But his opinion is MUCH more important then the scientific evidence, such as the TRUE definition of evolution.

His thing is this, IT DOESN'T? WELL IT SHOULD... then he continues on this line until you either give up, or start calling him names, no matter how much he deserves it.

Then he will claim that you were wrong and he was right because A: you gave up, or B: you called him some name.

Same SOP every time.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Evolution does not claim that no divine entites are involved in the shifting of alelle frequencies. It is also silent on the ultimate cause of environmental changes that may create selective pressures. As such, a "God" could be inserted into either of these variables (and other variables as well).

But that isn't how "science" is behaving in this matter. It is behaving as if everything can somehow be explained by natural laws plus nothing more. Any such "God" as you postulate, who is under such constraints, wouldn't be worthy of the name for all practical intents and purposes.

[Aric2000]

Because do far everything has, or is on it's way to doing that.

No, we will never know all the answers, but to just give up, throw up you hands and say "goddidit" would end ALL scientific endeavor right there.

If you want to believe in creationism, that's just great fine and dandy, but just because you do, does NOT mean that science has to.

[ALS]

Projecting again?

[HiTech RedNeck]

or is on it's way to doing that.

You need a metaphysics to support such a claim. Pray tell where you are going to get one?

[Aric2000]

See, now he's gonna jump me for giving his game away.

Too funny, but once you catch onto it, it's quite easy to laugh at.

Every thread needs a jester, and this one has 2 so far.

[Aric2000]

Come on, there are new Naturalistic answers EVERY day, or it would NOT be science.

Physics was at one time philosophy, because the theory seemed so wild, but as new discoveries are made and new evidence reveals itself, it has become a very REAL science.

Yes, there are answers, we just have to keep looking for them, and if they make you uncomfortable because it brings your religious faith into question, well I think you are the one with the problem, not science.

[ALS]

Looks like you need to go rub your god Pat for some new material.

[Dimensio]

It is behaving as if everything can somehow be explained by natural laws plus nothing more. Any such "God" as you postulate, who is under such constraints, wouldn't be worthy of the name for all practical intents and purposes.

I wasn't speaking only of scientific explanations. I said that invoking divine intervention as a mechanism for environmental changes or a driving force behind a change in alelle frequencies is not ruled out (or denied explicitly) by evolution theory, I never said that such an invocation would be scientific.

[Aric2000]

Actually I think that you need some new material, because you have used the same stuff on 3 different threads.

It gets old, and once it is refuted, don't think that we are not going to bring up the fact that it has.

Maybe I ought to start bookmarking, so you can't use the same defense as G3K tries to use. I'll just post the relevant responses in response.

[HiTech RedNeck]

The existence of such a thing as physics is no support for the idea that everything is physics. To do so would be for this branch of natural philosophy to saw itself off from its own roots.

[Dimensio]

Sooo, before there's a "species" there is life, but afterwards it's just a species, sans life?

There is the origin if the first life forms and there is the point at which life forms can be classified as different species. Perhaps those points occur simultaneously (as would be the case if a divine agent zap-poofed all life into existence at once, say Last Thursday), but they're two different discriptors. Darwin's theory does not address the ultimate origins of life, and your attempt at semantic games does not change that fact.

[Dimensio]

You sound like just another closet creationist using evoluncy as a means to defeat your conscious and satiate peer pressure.

I'm an atheist. I just recognize that evolution does not explicitly deny the existence of any gods. No theory in science explicitly denies the existence of any gods, and no matter how often creationists assert that evolution makes a statement as to the existence of a god, they are wrong.

[longshadow]

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