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The point was, you claimed that Iraq had not attempted to kill any americans before the "get out of kuwaitt" war. I pointed out that the USS Stark was hit by a cruise missile, so your statement was false. Like other statements.

161 posted on 05/26/2003 4:22:08 PM PDT by donmeaker (Time is Relative, at least in my family.)

To: donmeaker; Non-Sequitur

The point was, you claimed that Iraq had not attempted to kill any americans before the "get out of kuwaitt" war.

That's a good point.

So what were the details of the Stark being hit? What happened after?

Your post reminded me though, that the Stark crew did a FABULOUS job of saving that ship. She was very badly damaged. So was the Adams.

It is fashionable in some circles to make fun of the Navy, but they do a great job and have a great fighting tradition -second to none.

Walt

162 posted on 05/26/2003 4:27:56 PM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)

The stark was hit by an exocet cruise missile. Lessons Learned:

1. In a war zone, have your air defenses turned on. As I recall this was after an incident in which ageis cruiser shot down an airbus. Rules of engagement had been tightened after that, and after Stark was hit, they were loosened again.

2. Have your crew "combat loaded" so hitting one compartment doesnt completely wipe out a skill.

3. When you fight a fire, you must fight it fore and aft, port and starboard, and (relearning old lesson) from above and below.

4. Aluminum superstructures melt in fires. Steel is the material of choice.

5. Excocet cruise missiles are intended to hit the side of the ship, penetrate, then detonate. Any residual fuel will spray all over, giving multiple fire initation points. They are much more deady if you let the approaching plane launch the Exocet from close in.

6. After you have a ship hit, a lesson: Hit a few enemy targets before you begin negotiations. Saddam's folks said it was all an accident, and they would be sure to be more careful next time. We should have pasted them continually, cratering their runways and communication centers as we were negotiating the better controls on their air assets.

7. There used to be systems thought of as Blue (friendly) and Red (enemy). Now everything is purple. Any system out there could be used against us. In the old days we had no jammers effective against French systems, after all, they were our ally. Duh!

You are right about one thing. The US Navy has been the best in the world since Preble. Thats a long ways back. A great continuous run.

163 posted on 05/26/2003 9:21:49 PM PDT by donmeaker (Time is Relative, at least in my family.)

1. In a war zone, have your air defenses turned on. As I recall this was after an incident in which ageis cruiser shot down an airbus. Rules of engagement had been tightened after that, and after Stark was hit, they were loosened again.

Stark was hit 8/15/87. Vincinnes shot down the airbus 7/3/88.

Walt

164 posted on 05/27/2003 5:44:21 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)

165 posted on 05/27/2003 12:08:04 PM PDT by ericthecurdog

To: ericthecurdog

So Rummy has the same powers as Sauron of Mordor. What's your point?

He actually seems to be doing a fabulous job.

Walt

166 posted on 05/27/2003 12:12:18 PM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)

Thanks for the correction.

167 posted on 05/31/2003 1:41:48 AM PDT by donmeaker (Time is Relative, at least in my family.)

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