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To: Dimensio
The whole world intuitively understands that there must be a God. Man suppresses this truth because he is evil, but he cannot quite escape from it either.

Right. It really helps that you don't have to do anything but assert this. This way, you can claim to be right without having to pony up any evidence.

You're intellectually bankrupt. Your position is completely without merit. You have no means of demonstrating that what you say is truth.

Perhaps this will help:

1. Some things undeniably exist.

2. My non-existence is possible.

3. Whatever has the possibility not to exist is currently caused to exist by another.

4. There cannot be an infinite regress of current causes of existence.

5. Therefore, a first uncaused cause of my current existence exists.

6. This uncaused cause must be infinite, unchanging, all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-perfect.

7. This infinitely perfect being is appropriately called "God".

8. Therefore, God exists.

9. This God who exists is identical to the God described in the Christian Scriptures.

10. Therefore, the God described in the Bible exists.

920 posted on 05/15/2003 6:55:49 AM PDT by music_code
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Mother of all tautologies placemarker.
921 posted on 05/15/2003 7:06:33 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: music_code
Agree with #1

Don't have any idea what #2-6 mean.

Therefore, don't know how you came up with #7

#8 - I believe so, but cannot and have no desire to, prove it

Do not agree with #9&10, and can't see how you came to this conclusion.
923 posted on 05/15/2003 7:23:11 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: music_code
9. This God who exists is identical to the God described in the Christian Scriptures.

And, how is it different than say, Brahma, or the Ginnungagap, or the Trickster Coyote, or...?

BWAAAAAHAHAHA! Even ignoring the rest of your ridiculous points, your "logic" is entirely circular.

926 posted on 05/15/2003 10:42:17 AM PDT by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: music_code
1. Some things undeniably exist.

Okay, I guess.

2. My non-existence is possible.

True.

3. Whatever has the possibility not to exist is currently caused to exist by another.

Not only do you need to qualify this to state that you are referring only to things that do exist (as things that do not exist aren't caused by anything), but this is an unsupported assertion.

4. There cannot be an infinite regress of current causes of existence.

Why not?

5. Therefore, a first uncaused cause of my current existence exists.

Even if you could establish this, you've only established that 'a cause exists'.

6. This uncaused cause must be infinite, unchanging, all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-perfect.

Why? Why must it be all-knowing? Why must it even be sentent? What do you mean by "perfect"? Why must it be unchanging? Why infinite? Why "all-powerful"?

7. This infinitely perfect being is appropriately called "God".

8. Therefore, God exists.


Meaningless label to an unsupported assertion.

9. This God who exists is identical to the God described in the Christian Scriptures.

How? And how have you ruled out every other possible concept of a "God"?

10. Therefore, the God described in the Bible exists.

A superbly logical and airtight conclusion with just the tiny flaw of being almost entirely supported by completely unsubstantiated assertions.
929 posted on 05/15/2003 10:56:54 AM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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