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Interestingly enough, when I have these face-to-face "discussions" with Creationists, they all reach that same snarling, blood-in-the-eye stage...at which point I remind them that the subject is irrelevant with respect to Salvation. They whimper a bit, then try to restart the argument, but ultimately crumble when I ask why this subject seems so much more important to then than assuring a person's final destination.

What in Heaven's name are they so afraid of? I still don't understand them, even after having started out as a Creationist.

Your typical creationist lives in a very fragile world; if any part of his carefully-constructed world view is questioned, it threatens to bring the rest of his psyche crashing down around his shoulders.

at which point I remind them that the subject is irrelevant with respect to Salvation.

You show that you do not understand God's word with that comment.

If evolution is true, there is no 6 day creation, and what the Bible says about Adam and Eve is a lie. That means sin entering the world through a created man, Adam, is a lie, and the promise of a redeemer to Adam, through Eve, is a lie.

If you call all that a lie, you call Jesus death on the cross absolutely inconsequential, because it was for the sin of Adam, not some mythical ape-man, but the man created from the dust of the ground on day 6, that man's sin is why all human kind are sinners, and why Jesus Christ came to die on the cross so we can all be reconcilled to God by Him through faith...all because of Adam.

When you try to make evolution fit some Biblical theme, you call the Bible a lie.

(Rom 5:12 KJV) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

You also call Jesus a complete liar:

(Mat 19:3 KJV) The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
(Mat 19:4 KJV) And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
(Mat 19:5 KJV) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
(Mat 19:6 KJV) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

(Mark 10:5 KJV) And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
(Mark 10:6 KJV) But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

You seriously need to re-think that position, for Creation is the most vital doctrine we have. It is because we are created that we know God as Creator. It is because we were created, we found out about sin. It is because were created, we had need of a Saviour.

< If there is no creation, there is no need to describe sin or the need of a Saviour, and you call the clear teaching of the Bible a lie.

Interestingly enough, when I have these face-to-face "discussions" with Creationists, they all reach that same snarling, blood-in-the-eye stage...at which point I remind them that the subject is irrelevant with respect to Salvation. They whimper a bit, then try to restart the argument, but ultimately crumble when I ask why this subject seems so much more important to then than assuring a person's final destination.

n Heaven's name are they so afraid of? I still don't understand them, even after having started out as a Creationist.

Here is the crux of the probem: Most who are creationist believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God. The Bible tells us that it is not in Gods nature to lie. As God can not lie, then the creation story must be correct. Once man decides that any part of the bible is not correct, then they can start picking it apart, accepting the areas they wish (creating their own God?) or decide to disregard the entire thing as a myth.

Thus to the creationist, while the creation story may not be essential to the salvation doctrine, if it is not true, then it leads to one questioning the entire salvation doctrine.

I've heard it stated that if the devil can get us to disbelieve the creation, then he can start tearing down the rest of the foundations as being nothing more than the myth he (the devil) tries to make the creation story into.

Even Jesus referred to the Genesis creation story. If that story is false, then wouldn't it Christ a false prophet?

I myself will stick to the creation story. Evolution is the kind of stuff that makes up a good Star Trek story.