To: stuartcr
I believe in one God, but all this that you mention, just doesn't seem to be valid demonstrations...just strong beliefs. The fact that we exist, doesn't really prove that God exists.Creation is undeniable proof that God exists. Since it greets us every morning of our lives, it must be accounted for by some means. Science has revealed that there is an immense and exceedingly complex and well organized amount of information contained in the matter which comprises human beings and animals and plants, etc. It is obvious that the created order requires a Designer.
Belief in miracles and resurrection, is not proof to those that do not believe that the bible is the inerrant word of God, as none of that is proof.
The Resurrection of Christ is not only testified to in the Bible, but is also supported by historical evidence. Those who reject the testimony of the Bible have not thereby placed themselves in some kind of invulnerable position where they may be assured that there is no need to consider the matter further.
I do not attempt to validate my belief in God with any form of proof, I merely accept it and present it as an unsubstantiable belief. Why is it necessary for some to attempt to prove their beliefs?
Faith (in anything) that is not able to be substantiated in any way by reference to objective and external means is not a reasonable faith. Such a "faith" would merely be wishful thinking. In order for faith to be valid, the object of that faith must be valid. Christ Himself furnishes proof for us through His Resurrection and His present-day, real-time answers to our prayers and our questions. The Holy Spirit Himself resides within true believers in order to bear witness of Christ. God has not left Himself without a witness.
To: music_code
I believe creation is the undeniable proof that the world has been created, nothing to do with how, why, or by whom. That is speculation. It does not have to be accounted for by any means.....it is, and will remain, a mystery to all on earth. The mystery is what is obvious.
I do not believe that the resurrection is supported by evidence.
What is faith, other than something which cannot be substantiated...if it was substantiated, then it would be a fact that none could deny, and there would be repeatable proof. I believe that God answers all our prayers, regardless of our differing, earthly, religious beliefs. This could be construed as proof of God, by some....but not proof of resurrection of the man named Jesus.
To: music_code
You contradict yourself. You say there is object and external evidence, then say that the evidence resides within true believers. Even the most preposterous "isms" have true believers. As for prayers being answered, are you willing to assert that the "answer" to any given prayer can be known in advance, or do the answers only become known in retrospect?
634 posted on
05/13/2003 8:27:05 AM PDT by
js1138
To: music_code
Creation is nothing of the sort, you have faith that it is true, NOT proof.
The resurrection of Jesus is not backed up by historical evidence, as a matter of fact it is the exact opposite.
The bible is the ONLY place that it is stated that jesus was crucified and resurrected.
Again, you have faith that this is true, not proof.
Having faith in something, is NOT having proof. That is why it is called faith.
And if I told someone that something resided in me, they would put me away in the funny farm, with nice large padded rooms and jackets with sleeves that tie in the back.
641 posted on
05/13/2003 9:05:12 AM PDT by
Aric2000
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To: music_code
Creation is undeniable proof that God exists. Since it greets us every morning of our lives, it must be accounted for by some means.
Why "must" it be accounted for? Why isn't "I don't know" a sufficient explanation in the face of lack of evidence.
s. Science has revealed that there is an immense and exceedingly complex and well organized amount of information contained in the matter which comprises human beings and animals and plants, etc. It is obvious that the created order requires a Designer.
You made a logical leap there. Why does it "require" a Designer? Further, do you claim that this requires a Designer with specific attributes, or do you attach the attributes of this Designer through further observation?
The Resurrection of Christ is not only testified to in the Bible, but is also supported by historical evidence.
Please provide references to support your assertions (and please spare me the bogus 'quotes' of Josepheus that were clearly forged years or even centuries after the fact).
Those who reject the testimony of the Bible have not thereby placed themselves in some kind of invulnerable position where they may be assured that there is no need to consider the matter further.
So because I don't accept the Bible outright, I'm completely unreasonable. How convenient for you.
717 posted on
05/13/2003 12:44:55 PM PDT by
Dimensio
(Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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