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To: Aric2000
No. it's this theory is science (evolution), the others are religion(creationism/ID).

Wrong. intelligent design is a scientific theory/concept (actually many theories/concepts). Intelligent design has no direct connection to creationism. Also recognize that scientific theory can turn to dogma not unlike that of religion. Blind faith in current scientific theories has no stronger an intellectual foundation than religion.

We teach the one that science holds to in the public school and let the religious doctrine be taught at home by the parents, who should be the ones teaching it anyway.

Nonsense. Schools teach ONE scientific theory as though it was fact (without explaining the flaws) because it seems (I am not pretending I can read minds) many Orthodox Darwinists fear that accepting the flaws in evolution somehow forces them to believe is a god.

Oh, yes, I know what you are going to say, but, but, but, evolution is not science, sorry, wrong answer, nice try though.

Will you stop pretending you can read minds? That was not what I was going to say – so you are wrong on that point (what other points are you wrong on?)

Don't need to be a mind reader, to know what a creationist thinks.

Spoken like a true bigot.

I hope you don’t consider yourself a “person of science” (at least not when it come to cosmology).

The tactic of the bigot or those with weak arguments is first be to become the definer of the opposition – you tell us what the opposition really thinks and then you build arguments based on your unsubstantiated assumptions – this way all you have to focus on is attacking the straw man you created and you don’t have to actually present any positive support for your position. This is not scientific thinking – this is zealous support of dogma.

191 posted on 05/12/2003 11:06:45 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
You are either sadly misinformed, or you are "bearing false witness." To claim that ID has nothing to do with creationism is an out and out, bald faced lie. The ID movement loves to have people like you in the world though, since you would be one of their success stories. I can see them now, "Hey! We got another one believing there's actual science behind our shady christian movement!"

ID has yet to have a single peer reviewed paper. ID has yet to propose a single theory antithetical of biology as we know it. ID has yet to offer a single shred of evidence or proof of what it says. You don't believe that, of course, but sadly for you, it's all too true.

ID is the latest incarnation from the creationists who had a burp called, "Creation science" a few years back. So they subverted it a bit more, tried to sign on as many phd's as possible (though many are from diploma mills, but that's besides the point, right? And many more are in fields having absolutely nothing to do with biology).

The irony of the ID movement is the inherent lie behind it. Not very christian of them, that's for sure.
197 posted on 05/12/2003 11:13:33 AM PDT by whattajoke
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To: Last Visible Dog
Schools teach ONE scientific theory as though it was fact (without explaining the flaws)

I KNOW. It burns me up too. No one has ever SEEN the claimed chemical reactions occur, or proven by DIRECT OBSERVATION that they even occur in the so-called "chloroplasts," YET THE T-H-E-O-R-Y OF "PHOTOSYTHESIS" IS ROUTINELY TAUGHT AS FACT!!!

I'm glad someone is finally standing up to the ORTHODOX PHOTOSYTHESISTS, good for y..., er, wait... [reading rest of message]

Oh, never mind. I thought maybe you were opposed to dogmatism as a matter of principle.

207 posted on 05/12/2003 11:22:14 AM PDT by Stultis
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