Posted on 05/01/2003 2:41:23 PM PDT by Polycarp
Even more posts on homosexuality...i'm curious as to why? (Click link for background.)
--Dr. Brian Kopp
Vice President, Catholic Family Association of America
5/1/03
A friend of mine is sitting in jail right now, having lived a life of severely self destructive behavior for many years. His current incarceration is for DUI.
From the time he was 13 to 15, he had a steady girlfriend, and was a quiet, well adjusted, normal kid.
At age 15 he was sexually molested by three male homosexuals, and in the process was introduced to drugs (need those whip its to open up a virginal anal sphincter, you know) and heavy alcohol abuse. He has lived a self destructive homosexual lifestyle ever since, a lifestyle induced by molestation and coerced drug and alcohol use at an early age.
I'm personally helping arrange his counseling and legal representation in the lawsuit against his homosexual molestors.
His life has been destroyed by these homosexual predators, yet many here and elsewhere have the unmitigated gall to castigate those of us battling this homosexual juggernaut, especially in regards to the efforts of the GOP to court the homosexual vote.
This type of predatory sexual abuse of young teenage boys is typical chickenhawking homosexual behavior. I've seen it so many times its enough to make me vomit.
And I guarantee if any of them ever touches one of my boys, there will be no trial, only a burial.
Furthermore, the credibility of my entire Church has been undermined by homosexuals who infiltrated its priesthood and systematically buggered its teenage altar boys for years.
And the same types who would criticize the Church for this buggering, also criticize the Church for being so "intolerant" of the homosexual agenda.
The homosexual juggernaut presents a clear and present danger to this Republic and the institution of the family upon which all decent societies are built.
The homosexual juggernaut presents a clear and present danger to our children, as chickenhawking is an integral part of its culture. Homosexuals do not reproduce. They are not "born that way." But they do recruit. They are actively trying to recruit your children and mine.
The homosexual juggernaut presents a clear and present danger to our health system.
Mankind has spent several millenia developing effective and sanitary methods of disposing human waste.
Mankind knows that human waste is the source of deadly diseases.
Mankind knows that highly promiscuous sexual behavior of any kind brings with it high morbidity and mortality. Homosexual behavior is inherently promiscuous, as every single sociological study on the subject has repeatedly proven.
Male homosexual behavior is essentially desirous of methods to literally and figuratively swim upstream to the sources of that human waste, with as many different partners as humanly possible.
Therefore, homosexual behavior is deadly and definitely decreases the homosexual's life expectancy, and the visceral repulsion it engenders is a natural, wholesome, and common sense response.
Public health records demonstrate that homosexuals, representing 2 percent of America's population, suffer vastly disproportionate percentages of several of America's most serious STDs, with incidences among homosexuals of diseases like gonorrhea, syphilis, hepatitis A and B, cytomegalovirus, shigellosis, giardiasis, amoebic bowel disease and herpes far exceeding their presence in the general population. These are due to common homosexual practices that include fellatio, anilingus, digital stimulation of the rectum and ingestion of urine and feces.
An exhaustive study in The New England Journal of Medicine, medical literature's only study reporting on homosexuals who kept sexual "diaries," indicated the average homosexual ingests the fecal material of 23 different men each year. The same study indicated the number of annual sexual partners averaged nearly 100. Homosexuals averaged, per year, fellating 106 different men and swallowing 50 of their seminal ejaculations, and 72 penile penetrations of the anus. (Corey, L, and Holmes, K.K., "Sexual Transmission of Hepatitis A in Homosexual Men," New England Journal of Medicine, 1980, vol 302: 435-438; as quoted in "Homosexuality and Civil Rights," Tony Marco, 1992).
A study by McKusick, et al., of 655 San Francisco homosexuals reported that only 24 percent of the sample claimed to have been "monogamous" during the past year, and of this 24 percent, 5 percent drank urine, 7 percent engag-ed in sex involving insertion of a fist in their rectums, 33 percent ingested feces, 53 percent swallowed semen and 59 percent received semen in their rectums in the month just previous to the survey ("AIDS and Sexual Behavior Reported by Homosexual Men in San Francisco," American Journal of Public Health, December 1985, 75: 493-496; quoted in "Homosexuality and Civil Rights," Tony Marco, 1992).
This is my answer to the question, "Even more posts on homosexuality...i'm curious as to why"
As long as this homosexual juggernaut looms over us, pro-family and all men of good will, desirous of defending and spreading the Culture of Life, will engage the battle and fight this integral and insidious piece of the Culture of Death.
Nice strawman, let me know how the argument turns out.
No, Polycarp has provided no such evidence...the truth is you will find no major gay rights organization that supports lowering the age of consent or any of the goals proposed by fringe groups such as NAMBLA.
Here's the official statement from GLAAD, which is probably one of the best known gay rights organizations in America;
I've posted this before but Polycarp is to obsessed with proving the myth that the majority of homosexuals are involved in and support sex with underage boys to acknowledge the truth.
The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD)
GLAAD Position Statement Regarding NAMBLA
SAN DIEGO, CA -- January 16, 1994 --
The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation deplores North American Man Boy Love Association's (NAMBLA) goals, which include advocacy for sex between adult men and boys and the removal of legal protections for children. These goals constitute a form of child abuse and are repugnant to GLAAD.
GLAAD also supports the statements issued by other gay and lesbian organizations supporting the International Lesbian and Gay Association's (ILGA) call for NAMBLA's immediate removal from the international association.
GLAAD concurs with the 1990 ILGA resolution based on the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which states, "Major power imbalances create the potential for child abuse. ILGA condemns the exploitive use of power differences to coerce others into sexual relationships. All children have the right to protection from sexual exploitation and abuse."
Although statistics indicate that the vast majority of sexual abuse against children is perpetrated by heterosexual men, it is imperative that child abuse, in all forms, be condemned by gay men and lesbians.
As a group of people who historically have not had legal rights and protections, gay men and lesbians have always work with, and built coalitions with, others whose rights are at risk. The true gay and lesbian agenda is ultimately about free human rights for all people.
1994 - 2003 Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. __________________________
I asked you to find me evidence from gay culture..from gay communities, web sites and organizations and document your claim that sex with minors is an integral part of the gay community....
....and you post me a mini dictionary of these kinky terms for certain gay sexual acts...that could have been written by anybody...and this is your proof?
Are you trying to make me laugh on purpose or what?
That's like posting a dictionary of gangsta-rap terms and conclude the proves that guns, violence and calling women hoes, is an integral part of the general black community.
Do you realize how ignorant and bigoted these attempts at so-called proof...really are?
This is an editorial written by some lunatic supporters of the NAMBLA and it's positions advocating normalization of sex with minors.
Once again, NAMBLA and editorial positions such as these are roundly condemned by the majority of gay rights organization..and the gay community which they represent.
I already posted the statement by GLAAD..which is probably the largest and most well know gay organization, condemning NAMBLA and the sorts of nonsense you posted above.
The fact is, the APA has published an article that advocate the normalization of sex with minors... which was praised by heterosexuals and homosexuals who are into sex with children.
According to your logic we could take this as proof that 'sex with minors is an integral part of the heterosexual community.'
What nonsense.
Once again..the claim by you and the article posted at the begining of this thread, that sex with minors is an "integral" and commonly accepted part of the homosexual community is ridiculous.
I don't know if I will have time to address and refute all the so-called 'proof' you posted...but these first two..that ridiculous "dictionary" and this "editorial" are just laugable.
This is the best you can do?
This would mean therefore that heterosexual acts were involved in 75% to 60% of the cases of child molestation recorded.
Therefore according to your convoluted logic this proves that sex with minors is REALLY an integral part of the heterosexual community....MORE SO than it does your claim that it proves this about the homosexual community.(duh)
Of course in reality the numbers you post above,(if we are to believe them) prove absolutely nothing when it comes to your claim that sex with minors is an integral and commonly accepted part of ANY community..least of all the gay community....
....because these numbers tell us NOTHING about what percentage of gays or straights who actually molest minors.
So once again...the so called "proof" you post is weak and irrelevent.
Is that the same 1948 Kinsey survey of prisoners and mental patients that claimed that 10% of the total population is gay?
Yes..I wonder if Polycarp also supports Kinsey's claims to this huge 10% homosexual figure that gays like to quote in order to exagerate their social and political influence?
Somehow I doubt it.
Of course this is just one of many Kinsey claims that have been widely discredited.
Still notice that the largest number presented is homosexuals who had sex with minors...WHILE they were still minors themselves.
Well duh, I wonder how many heterosexual minors experimented or had sex with another minor before they were of legal age?
How does this number prove that sex with minors is an integral and commonly accepted aspect of either the homosexual or heterosexual communities?
And what would be so surprising about the fact that sexually active minors..when they reach 18 might not all of a sudden draw the line on all teenagers younger than they are?
I'm not say any of this is right or moral.
What I am saying is that even if we are to believe the suspect claims of people like Kinsey... how does any of this this support the argument that sex with minors is an integral and generally accepted part of the gay community?
It doesn't.
Polycarp is wrong..and the weak nature of these so called examples of "proof" he is posting is just more evidence of that fact.
Are you?
I have posted several times that I believe the Biblical definition of homosexuality...that it is immoral and a sin in God's eyes.
You find where I have defended homosexuality or any deviant sexual conduct. Then you post it here for all to see.... if in fact you are telling the truth.
You can't.
Because either you are a liar or you simply don't comprehend what this debate is really about.
Truthfully, I had to laugh when I clicked on that link Polycarp posted.
Most of the links were simply articles that made some comment on issue of the age of consent and homosexuality...almost none were from homosexual organizations..and some were even related to heterosexuality.
This proves organizations like NAMBLA evoke quite a large public response..and naturally a lot of hits when you do a search on keywords related to this controversial subject.
It doesn't change the fact that NAMBLA is a fringe element rejected by a majority in the gay community as evidenced in the public statements by virtually every major gay rights organization. The most prominent being GLAAD who's statement I already posted.
In any case..without being too disrespectful of Polycarp..the idea that punching a few keywords into a search engine and the number of hits you come up with proves some kind of point..without even reading the content if the web sites is rather infantile.
This is one more example of an extremely weak attempt by Polycarp to support his mistaken claim that sex with minors is an integral and commonly supported aspect of the gay community.
Yes...and we know almost almost all heterosexual men exhibit a preference for 'older women'...and very few are attracted to younger women. RIGHT. LOL
Guess this goes to show heterosexuality is 'youth oriented'...and it really supports your claim that sex with minors is an integral and commonly accepted aspect of the homosexual community.
With all due respect...I knew you were wrong from the beginning....but I could never have imagined your attempts at proving your point would be so weak and flimsy.
This is proving to be a lot of fun though. Thanks!
I have a close relative (young woman) who became a lesbian in her late teens - turned out she was molested as a child apparently by an older male relative. Many if not a majority of lesbians have been molested when they were children by men.
Here's how it works - if a boy is molested, it can be managed so that he enjoys the "sex" - so he winds up being sexualized by the homosexual experience, which is not only molestetation but turns into seduction. But when girls are molested they usually only feel pain and fear, so they are turned off to men. I feel very very sorry for my relative, I pray for her daily. Also, she does not look like a man!
In addition to being molested, the training and recruitment going on in schools and media is creating a pool of future victims (and later molesters and seducers).
I completely agree. By getting right with God, people can become cured of sickness of the soul and overcome vices. But since in our "culture" homosexuality is considered virtuous instead of something to be cured of or change, there is no hope for many. The main reason so many young so-called "gay" or "questioning" youth are suicidal or depressed (although the number is certainly inflated by homo-activists - they lie about everything) is because they are told: "If you have one gay thought or sex act you are carved-in-stone gay and can never change." This makes them suicidal.
If the truth was told that they can change and many have, they would have hope. But the homo Nazis don't want this truth revealed because their pool of victims would be smaller.
Wow..then I wonder why the majority of molestations of minors are heterosexual?
This is of course one more example of highly suspect statistics you've posted in your attempt to convince us that most gays are child molestors.
But once more..it proves your inability to analyze the masses of info you've posted.
Simply because even if we are to accept the above numbers..they don't tell us a thing about what percentage of the actual gay population accepts and promotes sex with children.
Also, the study found, the number of teenage male prostitutes who identify as homosexuals has risen from 10 percent to 60 percent in the past 15 years.
Wow..this is a big surprise.
How many women with money are out there cruising the streets aggressively looking for prostitutes when compared to men with money looking for prostitutes?
Give me a break.
And once again..this has nothing to do with proving that sex with minors is an integral part of the homosexual community.
You are obviously posting anything negative you can find about gays..regardless of whether it has anything at all to do with the topic we are debating.
Pathetic!
A 1982 study of a medium-security prison in California found that 14 percent of inmates had been forced into oral or anal sex. If that figure applies to all jails and penal institutions, about one million males are raped behind bars each year.Wooden, Wayne S., and Parker, Jay. Men Behind Bars. New York: Plenum Press, 1982. The one million figure is based on the fact that about 8.6million males pass through jails and prisons each year, according to the Sourcebook of Criminal Justice Statistics, 1990, Tables 6.33, 6.63, 6.89, and 6.90.
In 1996, Cindy Struckman-Johnson of the University of South Dakota published a survey of the Nebraska prison system showing that almost 1 in 4 inmates had been "pressured or forced to have sexual contact against [their] will."Struckman-Johnson, Cindy, Ph.D., and Struckman-Johnson, David, Ph.D. "Men Pressured and Forced Into Sexual Experience." Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 23, No. 1 (1994), pp 93-114.
I believe these two cites support the 14-22% rape stats you asked for.
In prisons, many males are involved in homosexual sex. Dr. Frank Rundle who …"believes that it's almost universal," involving "almost everybody at least sometime." Another professional gives a 70 percent estimate Rideau, W. and Sinclair, J (1982). Prison: The Sexual Jungle. in Scacco, Jr., Anthony M., Ed… 3-29.
Questionnaire responses from 13- to 17-year-old girls in four all-female and three coed institutions were used to determine rates and causes of institutional homosexuality. Rates were as high in coed as in single-sexed institutions. The overall rates of homosexuality for all seven institutions were 14% for "going with or being married" to another girl, 10% for passionately kissing, 10% for writing love letters, and 7% for having sex, beyond hugging and kissing, with another girl. The data suggest that previous homosexuality, often experienced in other correctional programs, explains much of the variance in institutional homosexuality.LESBIANISM IN FEMALE AND COED CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTIONS, ALICE M. PROPPER, JOURNAL OF HOMOSEXUALITY, 1978, VOL3(3), P265-274.
And these two cites support the 30+% to 68% of consensual homosexuality stats you asked for.
This [homosexual sexual activity] kind of voluntary participation offers no contradiction to studies of prison inmate behavior, both male and female, which clearly demonstrate that, behind bars, for a variety of reasons, homosexual behavior is practiced by inmates who have not previously engaged in homosexual behavior -- Society of Subordinates, Charles Tittle, Indiana University Press, Bloomington, IN, 1972, pg. 17
This also supports the FACT there is consensual relations outside of rape. Let me if you need more.
Yes…and how does that make the science in the DSM II wrong? Cites please.
Why not cite the writings of Ceasar?
Because Caesar isn’t relevant to science???
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