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Dad who pluggedprowler spurns deal
New York Daily News ^ | 4/08/03 | NANCIE L. KATZ

Posted on 04/08/2003 5:57:45 AM PDT by kattracks

A Navy veteran who shot an intruder in his toddler's bedroom decided against pleading guilty to a gun charge yesterday. Ronald Dixon rejected a deal that would have spared him from having to do jail time because he does not want a criminal record, his new attorney said.

Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes initially charged Dixon, 27, with possessing an illegal weapon - an unregistered pistol - after he shot a career burglar he found prowling in his Canarsie home on Dec. 14.

Last month, Hynes reduced the charges to misdemeanor attempted weapon possession, which carries a maximum 90-day jail term. Hynes said he would only ask Dixon to serve four weekends in jail in exchange for a guilty plea.

Criminal Court Judge Alvin Yearwood changed that deal to a year's probation.

"After the people reduced the charges, this was put on for possible disposition," Yearwood told Dixon and his new attorney, Joseph Mure, yesterday. But the Jamaican immigrant declined the deal and left the courtroom without comment yesterday.

"That means he would have a criminal conviction, and that is a big concern to us," Mure said afterward.

Dixon gained widespread sympathy after he was charged with a crime. In a tearful interview, Dixon told the Daily News he could not afford to spend any time in jail because he was working seven days a week to support his family and pay his mortgage.

Originally published on April 8, 2003


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To: tpaine
From Adamson v California
1947

Another miscitation. That isn't from the decision, that's from a dissent.

1,061 posted on 04/19/2003 12:25:27 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: tpaine
The quote was not 'misquoted' as a dissent.

Whatever that means.

Harlan, in his dissent, misquoting Mr. Justice Jackson:

"There are limits to the extent to which a legislatively represented majority may conduct . . . experiments at the expense of the dignity and personality" of the individual.

Mr. Justice Jackson's actual words:

There are limits to the extent to which a legislatively represented majority may conduct biological experiments at the expense of the dignity and personality and natural powers of a minority -- even those who have been guilty of what the majority define as crimes.

You guys love misquotes.
1,062 posted on 04/19/2003 12:47:13 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Poor you

You skipped a paragraph jackass...

In what was to become the second amendment, the right to bear arms, Madison proposed a recognition of the rights of what we would call conscientious objectors: "no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person." Today, we recognize the rights of conscientious objectors, but they have not received the explicit Constitutional protection that Madison desired.

Sorry. Sounds like even Conscientious objectors havea Right to Be Armed.

1,063 posted on 04/19/2003 7:51:41 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Roscoe
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Blam! Right between your eyes!

1,064 posted on 04/19/2003 7:56:08 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Roscoe
Aren't gun owners one of those "minorities" against which protection from the majority are needed?

Hands off my "natural powers", or to put it another way... RIGHTS, you gun-grabbing scumbucket.

Blam! Right between the eyes.

1,065 posted on 04/19/2003 7:58:11 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: tpaine
- States can reasonably 'regulate' firearms within constitutional bounds.

Those boundries of course being the active militia. We out here in the inactive militia are under no such arms restrictions so far as the usage is for personal defense and enjoyment.

1,066 posted on 04/19/2003 8:00:45 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Roscoe
"The great object of the first section of this amendment is, therefore, to restrain the power of the States and compel them at all times to respect these great fundamental guarantees."

From Adamson v California
1947
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Great explanation of how the 14th needs no 'incorporation'.
Thanks roscoe.
-1,060-



Another miscitation. That isn't from the decision, that's from a dissent.
-roscoe-

No "miscitation" at all. It is an appendix to 'Adamson', just as noted.

You are quite loonie on these matters roscoe. Give it up for your own mental health.

1,067 posted on 04/19/2003 8:33:40 AM PDT by tpaine (Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is weak.)
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To: Dead Corpse
In what was to become the second amendment, the right to bear arms, Madison proposed a recognition of the rights of what we would call conscientious objectors: "no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person."

Another proposal that failed to pass. See your Constitution, patch the holes in your feet.

1,068 posted on 04/19/2003 8:40:55 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
How silly roscoe, - you are quoting some 'misquote' on a point I never made or posted.

You are absolutely daft on this subject.


1,069 posted on 04/19/2003 8:42:42 AM PDT by tpaine (Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is weak.)
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To: Dead Corpse
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

And federal infringement would take away the ability of the towns, counties or districts of a state to determine how arms were to be regulated, directed and commanded by their laws, and for the support of their laws, so as not to demolish every state constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty could be enjoyed by no man.

"The Second Amendment declares that it shall not be infringed, but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress." -- US Supreme Court, U.S. v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)

Of course, the invitation still stands to produce even a single cite or authority contending that state regulation of firearms is barred by the 2nd Amendment.

1,070 posted on 04/19/2003 8:53:12 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: tpaine
you are quoting some 'misquote' on a point I never made or posted.

Are you Dead Corpse?

1,071 posted on 04/19/2003 9:00:16 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Dead Corpse
Aren't gun owners one of those "minorities" against which protection from the majority are needed?

Who is supposedly performing "biological experiments" on gun owners? Is this some brand new crackpot theory?

1,072 posted on 04/19/2003 9:03:00 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
And federal infringement would take away the ability of the towns, counties or districts of a state to determine how arms were to be regulated, directed and commanded by their laws, and for the support of their laws, so as not to demolish every state constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty could be enjoyed by no man.

Of course, the invitation still stands to produce even a single cite or authority contending that state regulation of firearms is barred by the 2nd Amendment.
-daffy roscoe-


The authority was cited.
- Justice Harlan, in his 'Poe' dissent.
--Rep. Bingham on the 14th.

Feel free to rebut their reasoning, and the fact that the 14th was ratified to protect ALL of our rights from state/local violations.
1,073 posted on 04/19/2003 9:13:59 AM PDT by tpaine (Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is weak.)
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To: Roscoe
Are you Dead Corpse?
-roscoe -


Of course not. Do you think I am?

You said I made 'misquotes'. I did not.
1,074 posted on 04/19/2003 9:18:23 AM PDT by tpaine (Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is weak.)
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To: tpaine
- Justice Harlan, in his 'Poe' dissent.
--Rep. Bingham on the 14th.

Neither said anything about state regulations of firearms being barred by the 2nd Amendment.

BTW, I noticed that you finally correctly noted that Harlan's remarks came from a dissent. Congratutlations on the step, albeit a small one, in the direction of honesty.

1,075 posted on 04/19/2003 9:22:15 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: tpaine
Of course not.

He's the one who embraced Harlan's misquotion of Justice Jackson.

1,076 posted on 04/19/2003 9:25:27 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
- Justice Harlan, in his 'Poe' dissent.
--Rep. Bingham on the 14th.

Neither said anything about state regulations of firearms being barred by the 2nd Amendment.
BTW, I noticed that you finally correctly noted that Harlan's remarks came from a dissent.
1,075 -roscoe-

Daft. - Dissent or not, Harlan is an authority, and in the portion I quoted, he clearly mentions the right to bear arms as being protected by the 14th.

Life, liberty, and property [firearms are fundamentaly guaranteed property] are protected by the 14th, as Bingham noted:

"The great object of the first section of this amendment is, therefore, to restrain the power of the States and compel them at all times to respect these great fundamental guarantees."



1,077 posted on 04/19/2003 9:51:25 AM PDT by tpaine (Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is weak.)
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To: tpaine
Dissent or not, Harlan is an authority, and in the portion I quoted, he clearly mentions the right to bear arms as being protected by the 14th.

Protected against what? Supreme Court hasn't even said that abortion can't be regulated or that abortionists may commit their acts unlicensed.

Life, liberty, and property [firearms are fundamentaly guaranteed property] are protected by the 14th, as Bingham noted:

And he did NOT say that state regulation of firearms violated such 14th Amendment "protections."

Begging ain't sources.

1,078 posted on 04/19/2003 10:01:02 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Dissent or not, Harlan is an authority, and in the portion I quoted, he clearly mentions the right to bear arms as being protected by the 14th.

Protected against what?

Being violated by states, of course.

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Life, liberty, and property [firearms are fundamentaly guaranteed property] are protected by the 14th, as Bingham noted:
"The great object of the first section of this amendment is, therefore, to restrain the power of the States and compel them at all times to respect these great fundamental guarantees."

And he did NOT say that state regulation of firearms violated such 14th Amendment "protections."

Southern states at the time were violating the RKBA's of ex-slaves.
- Now, all states [except Vermont?], are violating our RKBA's, in one 'regulation' or another, as you well know.

1,079 posted on 04/19/2003 10:58:00 AM PDT by tpaine (Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is weak.)
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To: tpaine
Being violated by states, of course.

And he doesn't say anything about state regulation of firearms doing that, your tail chasing notwithstanding.

Southern states at the time were violating the RKBA's of ex-slaves.

By an unequal application of the law on the basis of race. Your non sequitur fell flat, went splat.

1,080 posted on 04/19/2003 11:20:42 AM PDT by Roscoe
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